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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein you're on with gene and Chris

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and we are joined by an empty chair that

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will soon be occupied by none other than

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producer Ron James and we have a lot to

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talk about

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let's first acquaint some of you people

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who haven't heard all those stories and

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announcements we've made about the para

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cast plus what's going on and where

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things started actually it started with

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the power cast newsletter where Chris

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decided to give us a couple of golden

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eggs the first golden egg was the eBook

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version of secrets of the mysterious

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valley now remember if he's giving away

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these books free he's not making money

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from them and we're giving you a free

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newsletter so if you sign up by going to

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the para cast com you get the eBook

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version of secrets of the mysterious

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valley so that's the first golden egg

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that chris has given us and then he said

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you know what let's really do what we

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can to boost para cast Plus and let me

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tell you what para cast plus is and let

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me tell you about the second golden egg

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that Chris is presented to us and this

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qualify that because one or two people

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have asked what do you mean by ad free

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appearances that's part of the show

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content okay so we explain that you find

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out more about it at + . ^ cast com PL

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charge five bucks a month 50 bucks a

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get the add free version of the power

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podcast with all sorts of cool stuff

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is more direct and more detail than some

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of the stuff that we present in the body

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of the show okay we're working on

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getting a chatroom in there and as you

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learn from our guest Ron James who will

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be with us in just a second after he

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sort of gets himself set up and now that

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his chair is not empty and we can't be

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like Clint Eastwood and talk to an empty

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chair he'll tell you about a few more

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things but in the meantime Chris says he

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wants to really boost the power cast

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Plus and he said you know what I'll give

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you a copy to distribute of the eBook

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version of stalking the trickster

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now stalking the tricksters is like this

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trend-setting paradigm changing book

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that has totally altered the discussion

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of the paranormal because we consider

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things now that we never thought of

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before it's not just our UFO spaceships

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our ghosts spirits of the Dead it is is

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there a trickster element involved like

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we had last week with our episode with

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burn State we're suddenly all my parts

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we're missing from the recording and I

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had to redo most of them remember that

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Chris I hate when that happens gene well

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it only happened I think that one time

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you know a couple of times I've had some

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glitches but this is the first time this

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happened to an entire show but yeah how

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you did it but I guess you pulled it off

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nobody's complained about me sounding

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more incoherent than usual no which is

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good anyway I really want to thank you

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for doing this giving away stalking the

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tricksters and the most important thing

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about it is that we really want to boost

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the power cast plus Chris is basically

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saying I'm willing to give away

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something that actually earns me money

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know basically what we're doing is if

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you get a year of the parrot cast plus

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or the five-year pair of cast plus then

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I I will have Jane go ahead and shoot

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you any version of stocking the

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tricksters so there you go yeah that's

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it's just audio content message boards a

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fledgling chatroom but we wanted to get

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some video content and Chris is working

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on some things but we also called in

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none other than Ron James who's this

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fabulous documentary producer producing

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all these great documentaries and he's

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sitting now in his chair it's no longer

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empty so when I talked to him I'm not

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like Clint Eastwood talking to an empty

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chair he has a chair that's like a dark

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red leather is that what it is Ron

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that's exactly what it is oh it's a

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ritzy chair I'd like one but I'm turning

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off my video so that you can't see by a

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esteemed profile anymore so if he does

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that of course if he points his finger

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at me in a rather way that we can't

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mention on traditional radio then I

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don't see us exactly that gives me a

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little more latitude okay I've talked to

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you about this before and we'll get into

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it other segments of the show I said

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what can we do to offer video content

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for power cast us subscribers and we

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obviously don't want to let the cat out

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of the bag yet because things aren't

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developed and of course we don't want to

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be like Microsoft where they pre

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announce things that never come to be

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we'd rather be like Apple where we only

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announce what we could produce and we

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don't prejudge or pre announce things

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that aren't ready so you have an idea to

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to suggest well you know Chris and I

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have worked together on a lot of films

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and there's a lot of behind the scenes

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content and special editions and

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never-before-seen elements that we're

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gonna be able to share with the para

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cast audience and you know some of those

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folks have won some awards so dead

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whisper was one of the greatest

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documentaries ever made the covered

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electronic voice phenomenon and it

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actually set the stage for a lot of the

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shows you see on TV now or they're using

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that and there's a lot of material

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around that

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and then of course we won the 2012 EBE

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Awards we want People's Choice and Best

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dialogues and I think even to this day

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that is one of the most definitive

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collections of material for anybody's

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really interested in the disclosure

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movement so we've got a lot of material

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that nobody's ever seen in fact I some

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very interesting interviews with Nick

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interviews with dr. Edgar Mitchell where

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how they feel about what they're doing

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as he was coming back that's not talked

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about a lot and really delving into that

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and Edgar what happened to you up there

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you know so we've got a lot of things

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that it hasn't been seen before and it's

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gonna be a lot of fun to watch and some

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of it is only going to be available to

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members of Perak cast plus it's a run

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when do you think you'll have the first

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video content ready for power cast plus

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you know we're working on that we're

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interested in hearing what the audience

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has to say if if having significant

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exclusive video content would boost the

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appeal of Perak cast plus so all the

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listeners out there offer your input

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because America's plus TV is basically

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going to be something that's for you and

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for you to support and for you to enjoy

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so we're talking Chris I and you are all

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talking about when and how it's coming

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soon so it's very easy to contact us by

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the way you could write us views at the

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para cast com the use of the para cast

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comm or go to our site the para cast

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comm or our forums and forum dr. para

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they all have contact us links and if

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you click that link or on your mobile

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device you tap that link you bring up a

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forum where you could type an email

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message and it goes right to me and

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Chris directly Chris and I see every

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single message unlike some shows where

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it goes through the third-rate flunky

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who then decides whether or not the

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hosts or producers can see it when you

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write to us we see each and every email

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we try to answer most of it a lot of

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times I answer Chris answers so if you

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have a suggestion for the

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real content you'd like to see on the

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para caste plus let us know because this

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is something that is going to be built

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with your interactions with us and of

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course working with Ron and Chris to

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produce these top-notch videos these are

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the video guys you know I do all the

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audio stuff here but when it comes to

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video guys I don't do that because I do

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not cast a reflection you see that's

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really the secret of my reason why I

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stay away from video there are no

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comments from the peanut gallery plus

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that's barek ascom I used to tell people

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I didn't show up on film but then video

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came along and I showed up on that no we

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have Ron James with gene and Chris

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you're in the parrot cast first game

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attack of the rock codes and it was a

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critically acclaimed success and now

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there's the coming of the protectors a

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former military intelligence man is

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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good friend Ron James you're in the para

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cast and we've got a lot of things to

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talk about and the first thing we'll do

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here is the fact that you know we work

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and we're working more and more closely

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with run chris has known them for years

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and they've done projects together I've

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you know only met him through the show

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but of course you know we all have

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different opinions about things and he

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tells me that he has a few bones to pick

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with the para cast a few things maybe he

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doesn't agree with us about now that's

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fine we want to have a fair discussion

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just as we do in the forums that formed

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out the para cast calm so Ron if you

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want to show emphasis to take your

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glasses off for a second and say I put

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it to you I am reading I do you know

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anything about this diatribe for some

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time ever since you guys came on and

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we're talking about Steve Bassett and

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his whole disclosure work it was hard to

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listen to you because you guys like who

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is Steve Bassett and all this stuff and

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I know that you guys understand and that

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you guys disagree with the idea that the

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work that Steve's doing is going to

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result in President Obama being flanked

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by two aliens announcing that they've

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been lying to us for fifty years and you

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know I I probably agree with you I think

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disclosure if it happens is coming in a

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different way

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but what we shouldn't be ignoring as

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people who care about the topic is the

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work that he's doing and the purpose

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that it serves the kid at the same time

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you guys were who is Steve Bassett he's

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doing another stupid petition bla bla

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bla bla bla you were ignoring the fact

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that we at our own expense produced six

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hundred and fifty ten disk copies of the

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Citizen hearing on disclosure the entire

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thing which Chris you are participant in

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any and one of the producers of and so

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you know you were there and you were

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part of it and you know how important it

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was we we made six hundred and fifty

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copies of these in my living room and we

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mailed them to each member of Congress

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and this is what Steve is calling the

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congressional hearing initiative and

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then he put the petition in front of the

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White House you know if a hundred

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thousand people sign that petition the

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White House has to respond and now

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rather or not they respond in a way that

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we could say look we won that is the

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only way that we found to get the White

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House to put something on the record and

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so when you guys were like oh who Steve

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Bassett I've disclosures a pipedream bla

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bla bla bla bla and then you make kind

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of kind of made fun of the petition

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instead of taking the power of the para

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cast audience if every member of the

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para cast audience went to PRG right now

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and just took five minutes to sign this

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petition asking the White House to

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encourage congressional hearings into

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the et issue then that petition and we

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slept time because February 12th is the

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end that petition would work and the

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White House would have to respond it

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would be the second official response

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from the body politic about the et issue

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now I don't believe everything he says

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we need guys like Steve doing this work

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and we should be supporting it because

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somebody has to do it it's a voice that

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has to be out there there has to be

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somebody out there pushing the political

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body as much as they can

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I've seen this guy work you know I've

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spent three weeks at my house while we

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did this big congressional hearing

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initiative and that guy he made the

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disks himself he insisted on putting

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them in the boxes himself I never saw

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him do anything besides eat that didn't

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have something to do with the work that

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he's involved in so rather you believe

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in him you like him you hate him

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whatever this guy is tireless he's

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dedicated and I've never seen anybody

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with such laser focus but it's not

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really about Steve it's about the work

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about getting the government to do

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something and even if the overt efforts

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of demanding disclosure only result in a

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slow drip of information coming out the

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backdoor

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it's still doing its job so there's a

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petition out there let's quit dogging

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the guy for what he's doing let's think

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about how important this petition is and

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let's get the other eighty thousand

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signatures we need on it and come on

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what do we ask him you guys for five

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minutes of your time anybody that's

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working as hard as Steve is for this

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type of result really needs everybody

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support and not a bunch of people

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detracting him personally and making fun

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of his work he's doing more for this

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genre than pretty much anybody else

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there's a lot of infighting going on in

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ufology there's a lot of people hoaxing

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stuff it's just a mess but one guy is

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doing one thing that in the course of

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history will be remembered when some of

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these other people are just gonna go by

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the wayside okay certainly we know it

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would be nice if a petition could

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actually have a result but here's the

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thing there was a previous petition and

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it got a response from the third-level

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White House flunky saying of course the

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standard line from the government we

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have no evidence that we're being

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visited by spaceships or that was let me

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continue or that UFOs represent a threat

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to national security now what a hundred

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thousand singing screws do better well

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if it works fine I'm not objecting to

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people signing a petition like this the

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key is here is do we even know what the

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government actually has about UFOs is

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there any evidence they have final

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ironclad proof that UFOs are spaceships

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but the second thing that bothers me

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about Stephen Bassett is not his

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dedication because I've never seen any

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indication that he does not believe in

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what he's doing I think the thing that

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bothers me here is that he's kind of

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prejudging the result and the other

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thing that bothers me is when he has his

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events although he may have some really

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great speakers sometimes he has people

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there who are not really well vetted and

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in the past on the power cast when we've

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asked him this he basically says it

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doesn't matter well yes it does matter

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because the media is not going to seize

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on see

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as people a Stanton Friedman or somebody

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else who presents real evidence that

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something is going on that we do not

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understand they're going to look at the

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wacky people say the wacky things or

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when Paul Hellyer says something pretty

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crazy they're going to look at this old

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man saying a crazy thing and that makes

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it worse and maybe the biggest criticism

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of Bassett is not as intentions or not

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the hope that a petition will do well it

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is he has to be a little more

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circumspect in who he's giving a

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platform to yeah I understand that too

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but you know let's talk about the the

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results of the petition for a minute

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when his last petition drive was

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successful he'd the White House even

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though yeah like you said it was some

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third level flunky from the science

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department it's the first time ever in

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history that the White House has gone on

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the record with a response to the et

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issue and the fact of the matter is that

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their response over time and now it's an

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official response it's in the official

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record and there's enough evidence

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floating out there to prove that you

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know they probably weren't telling the

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truth and if you don't have an official

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response then you can't call somebody on

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an official lie that's what he's trying

543
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to do he's trying to get these responses

544
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into the record because we all know I

545
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think that the government knows a lot

546
00:21:23,500 --> 00:21:21,500
more than they're telling I don't know

547
00:21:25,630 --> 00:21:23,510
what they know but you know let's face

548
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it without the official response

549
00:21:28,860 --> 00:21:27,559
there's no way to officially say okay we

550
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have this evidence to the contrary

551
00:21:32,260 --> 00:21:31,100
against your official response because

552
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:32,270
they can keep dancing around the subject

553
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:34,490
this new thing is we want the White

554
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House to officially endorse

555
00:21:41,140 --> 00:21:38,770
congressional hearings into the et issue

556
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:41,150
just like the Citizen hearing and just

557
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like they held 50 years ago and so the

558
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White House if the petition is

559
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:46,820
successful is going to have to go on the

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record with their response to why they

561
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would support or not support

562
00:21:55,210 --> 00:21:52,400
congressional hearings into the issue

563
00:21:57,010 --> 00:21:55,220
this is not about the things that it

564
00:21:59,919 --> 00:21:57,020
seems to be about on the surface this is

565
00:22:03,340 --> 00:21:59,929
about establishing a piece of history

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00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:03,350
with a piece of official interaction

567
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:05,960
that is going to serve the ufologists of

568
00:22:10,090 --> 00:22:08,210
the future just like some of the old

569
00:22:12,190 --> 00:22:10,100
paperwork is serving the ufologists of

570
00:22:14,020 --> 00:22:12,200
today so there's a lot of really

571
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important reasons that this work is is

572
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very crucial and it's not always

573
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what it appears to be on the surface

574
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obviously we're talking about mechanics

575
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here and the one question I would have

576
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is whether the white house is even the

577
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place to go because even if you have

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them on record saying nothing more than

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the government has said before the real

580
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action comes from Congress and Congress

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is not listening to President Obama

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we'll talk about this in a moment we

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have Ron James with Jeanne and Chris

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you're in the para cast free from the

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shackles of corporate America we're the

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a secret UFO agenda estranged creatures

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from the darkest corners of the mind

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so we're talking here about the efforts

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of Steve Bassett to get the government

696
00:27:46,339 --> 00:27:43,499
on the record about UFOs other than what

697
00:27:49,009 --> 00:27:46,349
they've said so far but if you want

698
00:27:52,299 --> 00:27:49,019
congressional hearings would it not be

699
00:27:54,499 --> 00:27:52,309
better to look at Congress men women

700
00:27:57,739 --> 00:27:54,509
people in the Senate people in the house

701
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:57,749
who may be somewhat sympathetic to the

702
00:28:03,199 --> 00:28:01,440
cause and get them convince them to push

703
00:28:04,459 --> 00:28:03,209
for congressional hearings because once

704
00:28:06,829 --> 00:28:04,469
again they're not listening to the

705
00:28:08,749 --> 00:28:06,839
president not this Congress yeah we'll

706
00:28:09,889 --> 00:28:08,759
see gene again this is kind of why I

707
00:28:11,299 --> 00:28:09,899
have a bone to pick with you guys

708
00:28:13,639 --> 00:28:11,309
because at the same time you're saying

709
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:13,649
that you're on the para cast talking

710
00:28:17,809 --> 00:28:15,569
about how this work is no good but don't

711
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:17,819
you understand that the congressional

712
00:28:21,770 --> 00:28:19,530
hearing initiative is

713
00:28:23,330 --> 00:28:21,780
exactly that at the same time we're

714
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:23,340
petitioning the White House we hand

715
00:28:27,860 --> 00:28:26,100
delivered the entire DVD record of the

716
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:27,870
Citizen hearing on disclosure to the

717
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office of every single member of

718
00:28:35,150 --> 00:28:34,080
Congress 650 sets and delivered so

719
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,160
that's the congressional hearing

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00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:37,440
initiative and and what that is is

721
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:39,240
exactly what you said we're calling

722
00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:41,010
attention to the members of Congress so

723
00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:43,710
after the DVD sets were delivered to the

724
00:28:48,050 --> 00:28:46,470
offices Steve took off to Washington

725
00:28:51,290 --> 00:28:48,060
took up residence a few blocks from

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Capitol Hill hired a publicist and every

727
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:53,160
day he is knocking on the doors of

728
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,840
Congress people he is knocking on the

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doors of media and he is knocking on the

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doors of influential people in

731
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:01,860
Washington other lobbyists who will be

732
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:04,170
able to get these guys to listen and

733
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:06,510
there are sympathetic ears in Congress

734
00:29:12,170 --> 00:29:08,100
rather they'll say so on the record or

735
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:12,180
not and there are potentials for there

736
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:13,710
to be some serious light shed on the

737
00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:15,930
subject so it's easier there's this

738
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:17,940
petition to the White House it's only a

739
00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:20,580
part of the overall thing the first part

740
00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:22,380
of it was do the Citizen hearing on

741
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:24,870
disclosure get it out there and the

742
00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:26,130
Citizen hearing on disclosure is

743
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:27,990
available to anybody who wants to see it

744
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:30,510
there was a huge event they cost a lot

745
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:32,730
of money and it went off perfectly then

746
00:29:35,540 --> 00:29:34,410
the second part is the congressional

747
00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:35,550
hearing initiative which is happening

748
00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:37,500
right now and that's what I want para

749
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:39,750
Casa listeners to know is yeah right now

750
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:41,610
people are knocking on the doors of

751
00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:43,170
Congress people the citizen hearings

752
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:46,230
been delivered to everybody and the idea

753
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:47,640
that maybe we can get a little momentum

754
00:29:52,910 --> 00:29:50,370
to get at least people talking about it

755
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:52,920
get the media on it that's what it's all

756
00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:54,840
about the idea that the president's

757
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:56,430
going to disclose or that Congress is

758
00:29:59,540 --> 00:29:57,930
going to all of a sudden wake up and say

759
00:30:02,060 --> 00:29:59,550
oh you know forget about Isis let's have

760
00:30:03,740 --> 00:30:02,070
hearings on UFOs okay maybe a long shot

761
00:30:06,530 --> 00:30:03,750
I'll agree with the people that think

762
00:30:09,290 --> 00:30:06,540
that however it's making it part of the

763
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discussion against a media and against a

764
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:11,220
machine that does not want to hear it I

765
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:12,450
mean you know the media doesn't want to

766
00:30:15,740 --> 00:30:13,860
touch this stuff the more of the more

767
00:30:17,540 --> 00:30:15,750
close to the truth it gets the harder it

768
00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:17,550
is they'll report a story about

769
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:19,800
something that can easily be disproven

770
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,290
or fabricated but when it comes to time

771
00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:24,960
- hey you know 40 witnesses appeared in

772
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:26,280
front of X Congress people and now we

773
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:27,690
want Congress to do the same and here's

774
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:28,890
the evidence and here's why it should

775
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:30,600
happen you're not gonna see that on Fox

776
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:33,170
News so it's an uphill battle

777
00:30:37,630 --> 00:30:35,330
somebody's fighting it and they deserve

778
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:37,640
your support they deserve you to go sign

779
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,650
the petition take a look at what they're

780
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:41,840
doing because while the rest of the UFO

781
00:30:45,940 --> 00:30:44,450
field is in fighting and doing all the

782
00:30:48,010 --> 00:30:45,950
things that they're doing to not get

783
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:48,020
anything done this is one guy in one

784
00:30:52,420 --> 00:30:50,510
effort in one movement that is getting

785
00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:52,430
things done even if it's only the ear of

786
00:30:56,620 --> 00:30:54,230
one Congress person or a small article

787
00:30:58,660 --> 00:30:56,630
in one newspaper it's happening well

788
00:31:01,420 --> 00:30:58,670
this a couple of issues here to consider

789
00:31:06,460 --> 00:31:01,430
maybe the approach that Leslie Kane is

790
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:06,470
taking which is don't say it's et say we

791
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:08,330
have strange things in the sky these

792
00:31:13,390 --> 00:31:10,730
incredible events the experiences people

793
00:31:15,610 --> 00:31:13,400
have had and we need an investigation to

794
00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:15,620
find out what's causing it but when you

795
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:18,470
say ET it prejudges the situation I'll

796
00:31:25,330 --> 00:31:20,450
give you an example of that so we had

797
00:31:27,340 --> 00:31:25,340
this brouhaha over the temporary release

798
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:27,350
of project Bluebook information that

799
00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:29,810
John Greenwald's black fall site is no

800
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:31,190
longer there and I want to get into that

801
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:33,410
because I belabor the point already and

802
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:36,530
after the power cast alright so the

803
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:38,510
first thing that happens is the media

804
00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:41,770
says people interested in UFOs are

805
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:44,390
extraterrestrial believers which

806
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:48,170
prejudges the conclusion and I think the

807
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:50,210
second concern I have is not just that

808
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:53,600
Steve Bassett doesn't vet his people who

809
00:31:59,230 --> 00:31:56,450
go on to these presentations it is don't

810
00:32:01,060 --> 00:31:59,240
prejudge the solution because you say ET

811
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:01,070
it's sensational

812
00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:03,110
and people are gonna look at that and

813
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:06,230
say wow gosh golly gee whiz great aliens

814
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:08,090
are coming down it's Independence Day in

815
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reality whatever it is they're gonna

816
00:32:13,450 --> 00:32:11,510
laugh about it if you say strange things

817
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:13,460
are happening and look at all the

818
00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:15,890
evidence in these strange craft we can't

819
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:17,960
identify these things and people are

820
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having really horrific experiences

821
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sometimes don't prejudge the answer

822
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because that may work to the detriment

823
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of getting congressional people

824
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:31,220
interested one issue and then we'll have

825
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your answer the second question of

826
00:32:36,850 --> 00:32:35,150
course is that will this set of

827
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congressional hearings if they were held

828
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be any different from the ones in the

829
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:41,470
late 60s it brought us the Condon report

830
00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:44,210
which whitewash the whole thing what

831
00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:45,230
makes you think it's going to be

832
00:32:49,659 --> 00:32:46,220
different now

833
00:32:52,990 --> 00:32:49,669
Ron I think that the strategy this time

834
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:53,000
is media attention because for one thing

835
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,320
we have the Citizen hearing that's

836
00:32:58,899 --> 00:32:56,480
already done it's on the record

837
00:33:00,519 --> 00:32:58,909
solid testimony from people and yes or

838
00:33:02,590 --> 00:33:00,529
you know Paul Hellyer got on at the last

839
00:33:04,659 --> 00:33:02,600
minute and sort of went into left field

840
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:04,669
but there was time during his actual

841
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testimony no matter what you want to say

842
00:33:11,470 --> 00:33:08,570
about Hellyer he was the Canadian

843
00:33:14,110 --> 00:33:11,480
Minister of Defense he was privileged to

844
00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:14,120
certain information and he does seem to

845
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,480
convey that he was told things so rather

846
00:33:22,509 --> 00:33:19,519
he took that spiritually within his own

847
00:33:24,820 --> 00:33:22,519
journey to kind of a far-out esoteric

848
00:33:26,499 --> 00:33:24,830
place or not he still is who he is with

849
00:33:28,269 --> 00:33:26,509
what he is so is Edgar Mitchell so these

850
00:33:30,249 --> 00:33:28,279
other people that have a lot of

851
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:30,259
credibility and a lot to say and now I

852
00:33:33,999 --> 00:33:31,610
know that there's some people that

853
00:33:36,879 --> 00:33:34,009
testified that are not on you guys's

854
00:33:38,649 --> 00:33:36,889
favorite list but again it's our job as

855
00:33:40,930 --> 00:33:38,659
journalists to process and deliver

856
00:33:42,369 --> 00:33:40,940
information I feel like when we start to

857
00:33:44,740 --> 00:33:42,379
decide what information we're gonna

858
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:44,750
share we're making decisions for our

859
00:33:48,669 --> 00:33:46,610
listeners and for our readers and for

860
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:48,679
our viewers that maybe we shouldn't be

861
00:33:53,139 --> 00:33:50,840
making so when we put this stuff out

862
00:33:55,389 --> 00:33:53,149
people can make up their own minds and

863
00:33:57,399 --> 00:33:55,399
the whole thing about ET you know I

864
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,409
Drive a Jeep and I don't like the gas

865
00:34:02,080 --> 00:33:59,840
mileage but it's what I have and I Drive

866
00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:02,090
it every day we have Steve in Washington

867
00:34:07,210 --> 00:34:03,590
we may not agree with everything he's

868
00:34:10,359 --> 00:34:07,220
doing but he's doing it and we should

869
00:34:12,909 --> 00:34:10,369
support it because overall it has more

870
00:34:15,069 --> 00:34:12,919
potential of creating something then it

871
00:34:16,450 --> 00:34:15,079
doesn't and Leslie Kean is doing you

872
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:16,460
know she's playing it safe and she's

873
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,010
making a lot of allies in more official

874
00:34:23,139 --> 00:34:20,960
circles then I think Steve has been

875
00:34:25,149 --> 00:34:23,149
successful I'm doing and I'm not gonna

876
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:25,159
fault either person's approach I think

877
00:34:28,839 --> 00:34:27,169
that we we need these people doing

878
00:34:30,339 --> 00:34:28,849
exactly what they're doing and we need

879
00:34:32,770 --> 00:34:30,349
more of them and we need more people

880
00:34:34,569 --> 00:34:32,780
rallying behind them with something as

881
00:34:35,950 --> 00:34:34,579
simple as signing a signature sending

882
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:35,960
out an encouraging email or telling

883
00:34:42,220 --> 00:34:38,450
their friends so with the state of

884
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:42,230
ufology today editorializing pointing

885
00:34:47,409 --> 00:34:45,200
fingers at each other in fighting which

886
00:34:49,059 --> 00:34:47,419
is what I see a lot happening you know

887
00:34:51,970 --> 00:34:49,069
look what's coming up in open minds with

888
00:34:54,220 --> 00:34:51,980
with bob lazar and stan friedman stand

889
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:54,230
on it there's a lot of controversy going

890
00:34:59,260 --> 00:34:56,810
on and that's exactly what detractors

891
00:35:01,600 --> 00:34:59,270
and people who are trying to fill

892
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:01,610
the genre with misinformation and keep

893
00:35:06,820 --> 00:35:05,330
us off the scent want so you know we got

894
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:06,830
somebody who's laser-focused doing this

895
00:35:10,690 --> 00:35:09,110
thing and you might not be doing it

896
00:35:12,460 --> 00:35:10,700
perfect and we can all say oh I could do

897
00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:12,470
it better I would do it differently but

898
00:35:17,050 --> 00:35:15,230
it's being done and I think that it just

899
00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:17,060
deserves a little more support a little

900
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:20,270
less judgement I like to hope that he'd

901
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,970
listened to the criticisms a bit more

902
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:24,800
but let's leave that alone if you want

903
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:27,710
to learn more about the petition where

904
00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:30,410
do we go again Ron oh you can go to PRG

905
00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:34,190
dot org and again it just takes a minute

906
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:36,860
to sign the petition there's nothing

907
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:38,090
wrong with doing it you're not

908
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:39,650
supporting anything except helping to

909
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:41,810
get along the way and the Citizen

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00:35:45,250 --> 00:35:43,610
hearing on disclosure is available

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00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:45,260
widely on the internet if you want to

912
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:47,750
watch it and catch up with it so you

913
00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:49,130
know it's there's a lot of stuff out

914
00:35:52,750 --> 00:35:51,020
there and again it's not about Steve

915
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:52,760
Bassett it's about the overall cause

916
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,890
that he's trying to do and so whether

917
00:35:57,730 --> 00:35:56,000
you like him or not

918
00:35:59,920 --> 00:35:57,740
you know you gotta respect his work and

919
00:36:02,290 --> 00:35:59,930
you got to respect what he's envisioning

920
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:02,300
even if you think disclosures a pipe

921
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:04,490
dream like Chris does you know there's

922
00:36:09,970 --> 00:36:06,890
nothing wrong with signing a petition to

923
00:36:11,830 --> 00:36:09,980
jump to my defense here we only have 30

924
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:11,840
seconds to jump to it but why don't we

925
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:14,510
start as a matter of fact why we just

926
00:36:18,370 --> 00:36:16,130
postpone that to the next segment so

927
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,380
everybody could listen and get the full

928
00:36:23,530 --> 00:36:20,960
extent of chris's response without

929
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interruptions without announcements

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about the power cast plus a plus dr.

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power cast com none of that stuff well

932
00:36:33,130 --> 00:36:31,010
let's just get an unfettered Chris for

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the next segment and get his response to

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[Music]

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hi this is Bryce label I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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[Music]

1047
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so Ron James has explained why he thinks

1048
00:41:28,450 --> 00:41:24,920
we should support the work of Steven

1049
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,460
Bassett in his disclosure efforts and

1050
00:41:34,570 --> 00:41:30,560
petitioning the President of the United

1051
00:41:36,370 --> 00:41:34,580
States to reveal the information they

1052
00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:36,380
have on UFOs and he's assuming it's

1053
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:39,800
about et Chris what's your response well

1054
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:42,890
Ron and I had a conversation the week

1055
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,070
after I heard some of my you know fairly

1056
00:41:51,340 --> 00:41:48,560
consistent and and I think a lot of

1057
00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:51,350
people know my feelings about the whole

1058
00:41:56,700 --> 00:41:54,680
concept of disclosure yeah and I don't

1059
00:41:59,800 --> 00:41:56,710
want to bore everybody with yet another

1060
00:42:01,840 --> 00:41:59,810
you know version of that I think

1061
00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:01,850
everybody kind of knows that I like

1062
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:05,390
Steven I've known him for 10 years now I

1063
00:42:11,620 --> 00:42:09,290
think he's a dedicated guy I have some

1064
00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:11,630
questions about his background he seems

1065
00:42:16,780 --> 00:42:14,270
to almost appear out of nowhere in the

1066
00:42:20,650 --> 00:42:16,790
mid 90s I've never really been able to

1067
00:42:22,810 --> 00:42:20,660
suss out his background I don't have any

1068
00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:22,820
problems with the amount of dedication

1069
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:24,830
and focus that he's applying to this

1070
00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:27,170
whole question I have I you know I

1071
00:42:35,620 --> 00:42:33,070
applaud that effort I think there is

1072
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:35,630
some credence obviously and what we're

1073
00:42:41,460 --> 00:42:37,010
on saying we do need to keep the

1074
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pressure on you know public officials to

1075
00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:44,660
at least address this issue and address

1076
00:42:52,090 --> 00:42:48,950
the subject acknowledge it as being a an

1077
00:42:54,490 --> 00:42:52,100
important national security issue which

1078
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:54,500
it doesn't appear on their radar that

1079
00:43:00,490 --> 00:42:57,050
way and I think I think Steven is doing

1080
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a good job in that regard I do have some

1081
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some reservations about as we as you

1082
00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:09,890
know as we know all it takes is one bad

1083
00:43:15,730 --> 00:43:12,980
apple and I'm in a crate of apples to to

1084
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:15,740
ruin the bunch and you really do have to

1085
00:43:21,940 --> 00:43:20,450
and I I really take jeans comments to

1086
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:21,950
heart on this you really have to be

1087
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:26,960
careful not to have somebody quoting Jim

1088
00:43:31,289 --> 00:43:28,690
sparks of

1089
00:43:35,339 --> 00:43:31,299
at least of my mind fabricated dialogue

1090
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:35,349
from ETS to humanity it just takes one

1091
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:38,049
one thing like that to just totally blow

1092
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,510
a lot of hard work out of the water and

1093
00:43:45,260 --> 00:43:43,119
I think you know this whole idea well

1094
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:45,270
every point of view needs to be

1095
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:47,920
considered in all this I disagree with

1096
00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:49,930
that I think we have to be very

1097
00:43:58,789 --> 00:43:52,950
conservative and how we how we language

1098
00:44:01,160 --> 00:43:58,799
this issue how we approach officials

1099
00:44:05,099 --> 00:44:01,170
about this issue I think it has to be

1100
00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:05,109
nuanced to the degree that people in

1101
00:44:09,809 --> 00:44:06,670
those positions of power and those

1102
00:44:11,460 --> 00:44:09,819
positions of authority are are going to

1103
00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:11,470
feel comfortable enough to even address

1104
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:13,420
the issue so I think there should be a

1105
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:16,329
little bit more work done on on

1106
00:44:21,329 --> 00:44:19,150
languaging terminology these types of

1107
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,339
things as Jean I think again

1108
00:44:26,609 --> 00:44:23,680
insightfully pointed out I urge

1109
00:44:28,410 --> 00:44:26,619
everybody to sign the petition I when we

1110
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:28,420
had our conversation a couple of weeks

1111
00:44:34,500 --> 00:44:31,210
back Ron I next time we got on the air

1112
00:44:36,839 --> 00:44:34,510
and also online at the forum I did urge

1113
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:36,849
everybody you know to help out it

1114
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:39,970
doesn't take much time and it only good

1115
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:41,710
can come out of it let's put it that way

1116
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:44,410
there's no downside to it so so again I

1117
00:44:50,849 --> 00:44:48,400
do urge everybody to to go to PRG org

1118
00:44:52,799 --> 00:44:50,859
and sign sign the petition let's go

1119
00:44:55,230 --> 00:44:52,809
ahead and get those signatures it'd be

1120
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:55,240
interesting to see what kind of response

1121
00:44:59,579 --> 00:44:57,250
we'll get I'm not gonna hold my breath

1122
00:45:01,980 --> 00:44:59,589
but you know it would be interesting to

1123
00:45:04,890 --> 00:45:01,990
see and I do applaud again Stephens

1124
00:45:07,710 --> 00:45:04,900
efforts to to bring this issue to the

1125
00:45:11,220 --> 00:45:07,720
forefront in DC you know having said

1126
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:11,230
that I really do hope that people aren't

1127
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:13,569
gonna be too disappointed when you know

1128
00:45:18,299 --> 00:45:15,130
the government doesn't come forward and

1129
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,309
in you know disclose what we think they

1130
00:45:23,130 --> 00:45:21,520
know it I think disclosure is in the

1131
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:23,140
private sector I don't think it's

1132
00:45:29,010 --> 00:45:26,049
something that you can legislate get

1133
00:45:30,510 --> 00:45:29,020
your your public officials to to pony up

1134
00:45:33,029 --> 00:45:30,520
information I know I don't think they

1135
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:33,039
have it anymore I really don't and we've

1136
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:34,960
talked about this many times on the show

1137
00:45:39,020 --> 00:45:36,330
and and

1138
00:45:41,060 --> 00:45:39,030
you know but again only good can come

1139
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:41,070
out of it so you know do you go to PRG

1140
00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:43,530
org everybody and sign that petition all

1141
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:45,660
right I have one other comment to make

1142
00:45:51,590 --> 00:45:48,090
here about that and that is here

1143
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:51,600
considering the situation how it is in

1144
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:53,910
Congress and the fact that Ron says that

1145
00:45:58,250 --> 00:45:55,380
all the members of Congress in the

1146
00:46:01,070 --> 00:45:58,260
Senate have a copy of that assistance

1147
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:01,080
hearing on disclosure contact your

1148
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:03,690
representative now we kind of think

1149
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:05,670
nowadays that your representatives are

1150
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:09,170
mostly basically bought in 84 by

1151
00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:11,330
millionaires by the Koch brothers

1152
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:14,430
billionaires but if enough constituents

1153
00:46:20,060 --> 00:46:18,090
say hey look into this they're gonna

1154
00:46:22,100 --> 00:46:20,070
consider that because in the last

1155
00:46:24,890 --> 00:46:22,110
election some of those races were real

1156
00:46:26,810 --> 00:46:24,900
close and a few thousand people one way

1157
00:46:29,780 --> 00:46:26,820
or the other or a few more people turned

1158
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:29,790
out who didn't vote the results would be

1159
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,910
totally different so that's the real

1160
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:34,800
power you have there is not a hundred

1161
00:46:38,990 --> 00:46:37,170
thousand signatures but even a thousand

1162
00:46:41,330 --> 00:46:39,000
or two going to your local

1163
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:41,340
representative and saying this needs to

1164
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:42,960
be investigated whether you believe in

1165
00:46:47,570 --> 00:46:44,520
et don't matter what you believe

1166
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,580
something weirds happening and we need

1167
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:50,160
an investigation and that's where you go

1168
00:46:55,310 --> 00:46:52,170
you go to the people who have the power

1169
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:55,320
like a John Boehner or a Mitch McConnell

1170
00:46:59,960 --> 00:46:57,330
these are the people have the power or

1171
00:47:02,870 --> 00:46:59,970
even a Nancy Pelosi or a Harry Reid

1172
00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:02,880
people who have power in Congress go to

1173
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:05,880
them and get them on board if you get

1174
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:08,460
them on board you win even if the

1175
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:09,530
president doesn't even pay attention

1176
00:47:12,860 --> 00:47:11,460
yeah and you know part of the

1177
00:47:15,140 --> 00:47:12,870
congressional hearing initiative was

1178
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:15,150
what we called the tweet storm and the

1179
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:17,130
object was to tweet your congressperson

1180
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:19,980
at the beginning of the initiative we

1181
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:22,770
had four thousand tweets an hour raining

1182
00:47:27,230 --> 00:47:25,650
on Washington so what you just said

1183
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,240
Jeanne is exactly right and there's also

1184
00:47:32,090 --> 00:47:29,520
a mechanism on the website to do that

1185
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:32,100
and just contacting faxing writing

1186
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:34,260
emailing your representatives it's a

1187
00:47:39,470 --> 00:47:36,690
huge part of it and so all of the people

1188
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,480
that are interested in this topic rather

1189
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:42,240
they support this particular avenue of

1190
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:44,910
work there it doesn't cost anybody any

1191
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:46,740
money cost five minutes your time and

1192
00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:49,170
yeah it's just something that you should

1193
00:47:52,460 --> 00:47:50,430
do if you care about the

1194
00:47:54,650 --> 00:47:52,470
the et issue or the you know the whole

1195
00:47:58,190 --> 00:47:54,660
mystery of what's really going on rather

1196
00:48:00,589 --> 00:47:58,200
its et's interdimensional unknown beings

1197
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:00,599
living here on the planet who knows what

1198
00:48:04,670 --> 00:48:02,910
it is maybe it's all three but if you're

1199
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:04,680
involved in the mystery be involved with

1200
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:06,900
the potential solutions and the

1201
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:08,910
potential advancements even if your

1202
00:48:13,790 --> 00:48:11,010
senator happens to be a woman who cast

1203
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:13,800
straits hogs on the side you know and

1204
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:15,900
she wants to make a difference and she's

1205
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:18,900
Bowden yeah he's been given this

1206
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,079
platform amongst conservatives go to

1207
00:48:26,089 --> 00:48:24,480
that person I mean maybe not go to a

1208
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:26,099
Sarah Palin because I think even the

1209
00:48:30,349 --> 00:48:28,050
Conservatives have given up on her go to

1210
00:48:33,319 --> 00:48:30,359
somebody they think it's credible now go

1211
00:48:35,420 --> 00:48:33,329
to a Rand Paul go to a Ted Cruz whatever

1212
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:35,430
you think about their politics if they

1213
00:48:39,859 --> 00:48:37,710
represent you and you want them to be

1214
00:48:41,450 --> 00:48:39,869
interested go to them directly and let's

1215
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,460
see what happens I don't know what's

1216
00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:43,920
gonna bring out because frankly I'm not

1217
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:45,720
at all certain what they know and as

1218
00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:47,849
chris says maybe all the secret

1219
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:49,470
information is in the hands of private

1220
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:51,630
industry maybe the Koch brothers know

1221
00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:53,609
you know these billionaires maybe the

1222
00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:55,740
walton family who owns Walmart knows

1223
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,540
maybe the private industrialists who

1224
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:00,240
handled military hardware know reaching

1225
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:03,210
them would be impossible there's a very

1226
00:49:07,420 --> 00:49:04,710
interesting conversation that I recently

1227
00:49:10,370 --> 00:49:07,430
had about that when the SpaceX rocket

1228
00:49:13,549 --> 00:49:10,380
failed and when the Virgin ship crashed

1229
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:13,559
and that is if there is this top-secret

1230
00:49:18,410 --> 00:49:15,930
technology if anti-gravity is really in

1231
00:49:21,770 --> 00:49:18,420
the hands of mysterious shadow forces of

1232
00:49:24,260 --> 00:49:21,780
industry or government then why do we

1233
00:49:26,839 --> 00:49:24,270
have these guys that are of high-ranking

1234
00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:26,849
stature in the in the world that you

1235
00:49:31,339 --> 00:49:28,950
just talked about you know if Elon Musk

1236
00:49:32,569 --> 00:49:31,349
is who he is and he's connected with all

1237
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,579
the different industries that he's

1238
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:34,640
connected with then why are people

1239
00:49:39,799 --> 00:49:37,680
crashing rockets and if Branson is is

1240
00:49:41,180 --> 00:49:39,809
who he is he's connected with everybody

1241
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:41,190
he's the guy that could sit down and

1242
00:49:45,289 --> 00:49:43,170
have these conversations with government

1243
00:49:47,539 --> 00:49:45,299
officials and industrialists inside

1244
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:47,549
Lockheed and Boeing so he's a guy who

1245
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,410
theoretically would know if there was

1246
00:49:55,069 --> 00:49:51,440
this kind of top-secret breakaway

1247
00:49:57,049 --> 00:49:55,079
technology so why is he crashing rocket

1248
00:49:59,210 --> 00:49:57,059
ships so you know it's a really

1249
00:50:01,789 --> 00:49:59,220
interesting question because if there

1250
00:50:03,319 --> 00:50:01,799
truly is this advanced technology then

1251
00:50:04,059 --> 00:50:03,329
why are we still killing people playing

1252
00:50:07,180 --> 00:50:04,069
with technology

1253
00:50:09,099 --> 00:50:07,190
that we know is obsolete if it's true

1254
00:50:11,739 --> 00:50:09,109
captains of industry that now are the

1255
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:11,749
managers of this information then when

1256
00:50:14,589 --> 00:50:13,160
the captains of industry get together

1257
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:14,599
they should be talking about you know

1258
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:15,650
hey if we're going to keep playing with

1259
00:50:18,759 --> 00:50:17,089
rockets let's make sure nobody gets

1260
00:50:21,249 --> 00:50:18,769
killed so it's an interesting

1261
00:50:24,459 --> 00:50:21,259
interesting question there well it also

1262
00:50:27,249 --> 00:50:24,469
raises a question about the claim that

1263
00:50:30,370 --> 00:50:27,259
maybe we are reverse engineering alleged

1264
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:30,380
alien technology and it raises a

1265
00:50:34,449 --> 00:50:32,089
double-edged sword there which is number

1266
00:50:37,029 --> 00:50:34,459
one even if we have the technology they

1267
00:50:39,519 --> 00:50:37,039
had the crash at Roswell something some

1268
00:50:42,370 --> 00:50:39,529
other place even if those cases are

1269
00:50:44,529 --> 00:50:42,380
genuine they have the crashed spaceships

1270
00:50:47,739 --> 00:50:44,539
or craft from somewhere the question

1271
00:50:50,049 --> 00:50:47,749
would be can we really reverse engineer

1272
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,059
anything but just the basic parts of

1273
00:50:54,189 --> 00:50:52,640
their technology because of their you

1274
00:50:56,289 --> 00:50:54,199
know hundreds or thousands of years

1275
00:50:58,049 --> 00:50:56,299
ahead of us they can travel from star

1276
00:51:00,759 --> 00:50:58,059
system to star system

1277
00:51:03,759 --> 00:51:00,769
inter-dimensionally wormholes whatever

1278
00:51:05,729 --> 00:51:03,769
if they can do all that how the heck are

1279
00:51:08,499 --> 00:51:05,739
we going to be able to reverse engineer

1280
00:51:11,049 --> 00:51:08,509
that sort of technology that level it's

1281
00:51:12,489 --> 00:51:11,059
like someone in the 1500 s looking at an

1282
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:12,499
iPhone or even worse

1283
00:51:16,809 --> 00:51:14,089
Bernal or submarine yeah it's exactly

1284
00:51:18,849 --> 00:51:16,819
true we have Ron James joining us he's a

1285
00:51:20,229 --> 00:51:18,859
documentary producer I'm going to get

1286
00:51:21,699 --> 00:51:20,239
into some of the projects he and Chris

1287
00:51:23,739 --> 00:51:21,709
have done so right now we're talking

1288
00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:23,749
about disclosure and what there is to

1289
00:51:34,110 --> 00:51:26,180
disclose and who knows it with Gene and

1290
00:51:40,819 --> 00:51:37,150
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1306
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1307
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investment advisors won't talk about

1308
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1309
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1310
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1311
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1312
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1313
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1317
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1318
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1319
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1320
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get your ghost ar-15 today at guns eight

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1325
00:54:01,410 --> 00:53:59,329
welcome back to the para cast the gold

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1327
00:54:07,630 --> 00:54:02,990
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1328
00:54:10,530 --> 00:54:07,640
and now here's Jean Steinberg

1329
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:10,540
[Music]

1330
00:54:14,859 --> 00:54:13,280
that was good especially since she

1331
00:54:16,510 --> 00:54:14,869
caught me off guard well that's our

1332
00:54:18,490 --> 00:54:16,520
intention we have to show if you're

1333
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:18,500
quick here you know snap to it my friend

1334
00:54:25,450 --> 00:54:22,160
yeah as far as the the whole subject of

1335
00:54:27,339 --> 00:54:25,460
breakaway civilizations and you know if

1336
00:54:29,950 --> 00:54:27,349
we have that level of technology why

1337
00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:29,960
don't we use it why don't we use it

1338
00:54:35,530 --> 00:54:32,980
publicly it might be you know being used

1339
00:54:37,870 --> 00:54:35,540
clandestinely but if you have an

1340
00:54:39,790 --> 00:54:37,880
ace-in-the-hole and you you know you got

1341
00:54:41,859 --> 00:54:39,800
a pair of kings and you look looking at

1342
00:54:44,260 --> 00:54:41,869
somebody across the table with a a pair

1343
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:44,270
of jacks you you've already got the hand

1344
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:47,510
beats so you know I whip it out if you

1345
00:54:51,990 --> 00:54:49,730
don't need it well because people are

1346
00:54:54,820 --> 00:54:52,000
dying playing with these primitive twice

1347
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:54,830
well you know I think there's there's

1348
00:55:00,190 --> 00:54:57,920
other circumstantial mitigating

1349
00:55:02,109 --> 00:55:00,200
circumstances that would alleviate the

1350
00:55:04,660 --> 00:55:02,119
the need to whip something like that out

1351
00:55:08,650 --> 00:55:04,670
yeah you know we don't know what the

1352
00:55:10,750 --> 00:55:08,660
military's space program is is about the

1353
00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:10,760
vast majority of payloads that went up

1354
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:12,160
into space in the shuttle were

1355
00:55:18,839 --> 00:55:15,770
classified military experiments

1356
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:18,849
satellites monitoring technology and

1357
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,650
what have you so I mean we really don't

1358
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:23,359
know what's what's circling around up

1359
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,359
there and we don't have a sense of of

1360
00:55:29,290 --> 00:55:28,000
any sort of exotic you know

1361
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:29,300
state-of-the-art

1362
00:55:34,990 --> 00:55:32,230
beyond what is publicly acknowledged so

1363
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:35,000
even if you don't need it and you don't

1364
00:55:40,930 --> 00:55:39,440
want to let people know you have it it

1365
00:55:43,060 --> 00:55:40,940
stands to reason that you could you

1366
00:55:45,010 --> 00:55:43,070
could probably keep certain things under

1367
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:45,020
wraps until you really needed to whip

1368
00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:48,410
them out and that's always been the

1369
00:55:54,339 --> 00:55:50,030
argument that made the most sense to me

1370
00:55:56,140 --> 00:55:54,349
but but again you know it's ultimately

1371
00:55:59,170 --> 00:55:56,150
it's up to them if they want to land on

1372
00:56:01,630 --> 00:55:59,180
the White House lawn and or show up in

1373
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:01,640
the the basement of the the White House

1374
00:56:09,099 --> 00:56:05,330
or something they'll do that and because

1375
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:09,109
they haven't done it tour knowledge if

1376
00:56:15,609 --> 00:56:11,530
they haven't decided to disclose then

1377
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:15,619
you know I think that the others if you

1378
00:56:18,819 --> 00:56:16,640
will the

1379
00:56:20,109 --> 00:56:18,829
Watchers however you want to call them I

1380
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:20,119
think they're getting the driver's seat

1381
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:22,010
when it comes to this whole topic and

1382
00:56:26,410 --> 00:56:23,990
and I think that's why the governments

1383
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:26,420
and you know just doesn't even consider

1384
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:28,690
it to be an issue it's just a non-issue

1385
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:30,890
so I think there's a lot to be said for

1386
00:56:36,579 --> 00:56:33,890
the idea that if there is some Galactic

1387
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:36,589
Federation and if there is somebody kind

1388
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:40,490
of watching our progress that the the

1389
00:56:43,779 --> 00:56:42,049
idea that we have to evolve to a certain

1390
00:56:46,029 --> 00:56:43,789
point before we're really going to be

1391
00:56:48,370 --> 00:56:46,039
worthy of becoming part of that galactic

1392
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:48,380
family and we have to survive the

1393
00:56:53,859 --> 00:56:50,690
tendency to self-destruct first it makes

1394
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:53,869
a lot of sense let's trim well I'm just

1395
00:56:59,759 --> 00:56:57,680
a green I think you're right and it's

1396
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,769
you know it's gonna get a lot more

1397
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:02,000
interesting before it gets any more dull

1398
00:57:05,890 --> 00:57:03,920
as put it that way you know I always say

1399
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,900
we can have a whole bunch of people

1400
00:57:10,089 --> 00:57:07,760
sitting here in LA at their yoga classes

1401
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,099
and their meditation retreats talking

1402
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:12,799
about how much Humanity is evolving but

1403
00:57:17,859 --> 00:57:15,529
and while we still have Isis and we

1404
00:57:19,210 --> 00:57:17,869
still have little kids in Africa having

1405
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:19,220
to kill their parents as a rite of

1406
00:57:21,730 --> 00:57:19,910
passage

1407
00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:21,740
we're not evolving where there's pockets

1408
00:57:25,809 --> 00:57:23,089
on us that may consider ourselves

1409
00:57:31,269 --> 00:57:25,819
evolved but as a civilization and as a

1410
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:31,279
planetary community and so I know if I

1411
00:57:34,450 --> 00:57:32,809
was et and I'm looking down at this I'd

1412
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:34,460
be like why should we why should we

1413
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:36,529
reveal ourselves these people totally

1414
00:57:39,789 --> 00:57:38,210
don't don't have it together and it's

1415
00:57:41,980 --> 00:57:39,799
you know what they're gonna have to get

1416
00:57:45,099 --> 00:57:41,990
to a certain point collectively and

1417
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:45,109
unanimously before we can really take

1418
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:48,650
them to the next level no no good point

1419
00:57:53,950 --> 00:57:52,640
you know we do live in a very you know

1420
00:57:56,499 --> 00:57:53,960
you gotta look at the lowest common

1421
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:56,509
denominator and you know you know the

1422
00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:00,319
first world is is rapidly becoming you

1423
00:58:06,329 --> 00:58:03,950
know a pitaka see and and the

1424
00:58:09,099 --> 00:58:06,339
trickle-down economics is warm and salty

1425
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:09,109
for most people around the world so yeah

1426
00:58:13,299 --> 00:58:10,400
we do have a long way to go that's for

1427
00:58:15,220 --> 00:58:13,309
sure no question you know one thing I

1428
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:15,230
just thought as a quick aside when we

1429
00:58:18,190 --> 00:58:17,119
talk about like petitioning our Congress

1430
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:18,200
people and contacting our

1431
00:58:21,309 --> 00:58:20,000
representatives and a lot of people

1432
00:58:23,529 --> 00:58:21,319
think all you know that just doesn't get

1433
00:58:26,140 --> 00:58:23,539
us anywhere but guys let's look at what

1434
00:58:27,819 --> 00:58:26,150
just happened to net neutrality the big

1435
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:27,829
corporations wanted to be able to buy

1436
00:58:29,819 --> 00:58:29,450
favoritism across the internet and

1437
00:58:32,249 --> 00:58:29,829
across

1438
00:58:35,069 --> 00:58:32,259
broadband pipelines and enough people

1439
00:58:37,799 --> 00:58:35,079
spoke up and said no way and now the FCC

1440
00:58:39,749 --> 00:58:37,809
is putting out new rules that no you

1441
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:39,759
cannot put favoritism on the internet

1442
00:58:45,569 --> 00:58:42,130
you cannot throttle independent content

1443
00:58:48,420 --> 00:58:45,579
the people and the freedom of speech and

1444
00:58:50,219 --> 00:58:48,430
the freedom of our ability especially me

1445
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:50,229
with the online TV network that probably

1446
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:51,609
would have got squashed had this been

1447
00:58:58,229 --> 00:58:55,359
successful we won and so you know

1448
00:59:00,449 --> 00:58:58,239
sometimes there's a little gem out there

1449
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:00,459
that says our system works and our

1450
00:59:03,299 --> 00:59:01,569
voices are heard

1451
00:59:05,249 --> 00:59:03,309
so it's Mary church for net neutrality

1452
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,259
in the job yeah that's an important

1453
00:59:08,759 --> 00:59:07,359
issue you know let me tell our listeners

1454
00:59:11,489 --> 00:59:08,769
by the way we have a second radio show

1455
00:59:13,410 --> 00:59:11,499
called tech night how life if you listen

1456
00:59:14,999 --> 00:59:13,420
to this weekend's edition of the tech

1457
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:15,009
night our live will talk about net

1458
00:59:20,579 --> 00:59:17,950
neutrality with the columnist from USA

1459
00:59:21,809 --> 00:59:20,589
Today Rob a peg or arrow and he used to

1460
00:59:23,729 --> 00:59:21,819
work by the way for the Washington Post

1461
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:23,739
so this guy is really well-connected and

1462
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:26,170
will explain what net neutrality really

1463
00:59:32,609 --> 00:59:29,200
is and yes someone like a Ron James was

1464
00:59:35,370 --> 00:59:32,619
a small video producer if you had fast

1465
00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:35,380
lanes if the rich companies like Apple

1466
00:59:40,739 --> 00:59:38,140
and Netflix and Microsoft from Google

1467
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:40,749
could buy Internet access to the

1468
00:59:45,689 --> 00:59:43,209
exclusion of anyone else than people

1469
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:45,699
like Ron can't present their exclusive

1470
00:59:52,259 --> 00:59:49,930
content well which way to censorship and

1471
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,269
so it's it's it's an amazing thing that

1472
01:00:01,049 --> 00:59:54,160
this went through and that the people's

1473
01:00:03,900 --> 01:00:01,059
voice was heard Chris I was thinking

1474
01:00:05,279 --> 01:00:03,910
about when you and I were at the Citizen

1475
01:00:07,949 --> 01:00:05,289
hearing on disclosure and we've never

1476
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:07,959
really talked about it but when during

1477
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:09,729
the closing remarks and we brought up

1478
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:11,890
Paul Hellyer you know I was sitting at

1479
01:00:15,089 --> 01:00:13,089
the back of the room and I think you

1480
01:00:17,099 --> 01:00:15,099
were manning one of the cameras and when

1481
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:17,109
he just started going and going and

1482
01:00:21,839 --> 01:00:20,079
going and talking that nonsense I just

1483
01:00:23,939 --> 01:00:21,849
wanted to reach out with a giant sheep

1484
01:00:26,430 --> 01:00:23,949
hook and just pull him off the witness

1485
01:00:29,759 --> 01:00:26,440
stand you know and just say that I start

1486
01:00:32,099 --> 01:00:29,769
to think of the 1930s and the vaudeville

1487
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:32,109
shows and I wasn't there during those

1488
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:34,209
years but you've seen them on TV in the

1489
01:00:40,289 --> 01:00:37,690
movies where an act was failing the hook

1490
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:40,299
comes out and pulls them off the stage

1491
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:43,510
or maybe the gang from the gong show

1492
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:45,970
my mouth was a gape and I was just like

1493
01:00:49,650 --> 01:00:47,890
oh my gosh is he really saying this

1494
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:49,660
stuff and why is he rambling on and on

1495
01:00:52,590 --> 01:00:51,609
and on he's ruining the whole thing what

1496
01:00:56,130 --> 01:00:52,600
was going through your mind at that

1497
01:00:58,650 --> 01:00:56,140
moment Chris if I hadn't been working

1498
01:01:01,170 --> 01:00:58,660
and then you know they had to have a

1499
01:01:03,180 --> 01:01:01,180
professional decorum you know I would

1500
01:01:06,810 --> 01:01:03,190
have done the the fake sneeze on my hand

1501
01:01:13,260 --> 01:01:06,820
with the the BS word kind of you want me

1502
01:01:15,930 --> 01:01:13,270
to give it a shot gene we had a little

1503
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:15,940
bit of ability to influence the

1504
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:17,770
interaction I remember Richard Dolan was

1505
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,530
running kind of late on his his delivery

1506
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:22,000
and I started throwing paper airplanes

1507
01:01:25,050 --> 01:01:24,609
at him but um he doesn't talk to me

1508
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:25,060
anymore

1509
01:01:35,130 --> 01:01:30,490
I wonder why all I had to do was hear

1510
01:01:37,830 --> 01:01:35,140
the name Jim sparks who is for some of

1511
01:01:39,630 --> 01:01:37,840
our new listeners go back to the early

1512
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:39,640
years of the parrot cast and listen to

1513
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:42,730
this segment with Jim sparks he's one of

1514
01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:45,490
those guys you know where the story gets

1515
01:01:50,849 --> 01:01:47,500
bigger and grander as the years go by

1516
01:01:55,740 --> 01:01:50,859
and and the umpteenth you know book

1517
01:02:00,170 --> 01:01:55,750
comes out about about his case to sum up

1518
01:02:02,609 --> 01:02:00,180
the entire proceedings by quoting bad

1519
01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:02,619
sounded like dad you know Hollywood

1520
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:03,160
fiction

1521
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:05,680
um terms of aliens telling us that we

1522
01:02:11,820 --> 01:02:07,570
have to you know take care of the

1523
01:02:15,870 --> 01:02:11,830
environment and it just it was so cliche

1524
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:15,880
and you know I was so just taken aback

1525
01:02:22,830 --> 01:02:19,359
that that he was allowed to do that to

1526
01:02:25,050 --> 01:02:22,840
me it just totally took all the gravitas

1527
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:25,060
and just blew it out of the room and I I

1528
01:02:30,510 --> 01:02:28,330
was I was not happy about it you know it

1529
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:30,520
was very much dates and then to have it

1530
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:33,330
all summed up by that was it was very

1531
01:02:40,770 --> 01:02:37,890
very bad choice on on the organizers

1532
01:02:42,510 --> 01:02:40,780
part not to have that I I think I

1533
01:02:44,130 --> 01:02:42,520
truthfully think that he just took

1534
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:44,140
everybody by surprise I think if he

1535
01:02:49,380 --> 01:02:46,930
would have gone up to to any of us and

1536
01:02:50,550 --> 01:02:49,390
said oh by the way I'm gonna read from

1537
01:02:52,620 --> 01:02:50,560
this book when I do my closing

1538
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:52,630
statements somebody would have put the

1539
01:02:56,790 --> 01:02:55,359
quash on it yeah we just didn't see it

1540
01:02:58,470 --> 01:02:56,800
coming yep

1541
01:02:59,610 --> 01:02:58,480
and you know just for the record you

1542
01:03:02,930 --> 01:02:59,620
know the Citizen hearing on disclosure

1543
01:03:06,690 --> 01:03:02,940
was the event in Washington DC held in

1544
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:06,700
late April and early May of 2012 and

1545
01:03:13,020 --> 01:03:10,270
Kris was part of my crew and we handled

1546
01:03:15,540 --> 01:03:13,030
all of the production of this event and

1547
01:03:17,700 --> 01:03:15,550
a good chunk of the post-production and

1548
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:17,710
so you know just so that the record is

1549
01:03:20,850 --> 01:03:19,090
straight out there because there's a lot

1550
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:20,860
of people actually trying to take credit

1551
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:23,290
for this well of course I was in touch

1552
01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:24,880
with Kris at the time when we did an

1553
01:03:30,570 --> 01:03:27,070
episode on the citizens hearing on

1554
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:30,580
disclosure and he was one of the people

1555
01:03:36,690 --> 01:03:33,970
who did an amazing amount of work to get

1556
01:03:43,310 --> 01:03:36,700
that all down with Gene and Kris and Ron

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para cast calm okay so maybe we're

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stepping into it right now we have Ron

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01:08:19,309 --> 01:08:17,160
James producer Chris O'Brien co-host

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01:08:20,660 --> 01:08:19,319
gene Steinberg something or other now

1666
01:08:23,660 --> 01:08:20,670
you were about to say something about

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01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:23,670
the fact you and Chris and your crew did

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01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:27,060
all this work to record the happenings

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01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:29,040
of proceedings at the citizens hearing

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01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:31,920
on disclosure but well there seems to be

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01:08:37,039 --> 01:08:35,130
a little bit of confusion in the open

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01:08:39,050 --> 01:08:37,049
marketplace about who actually did the

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01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:39,060
work and so I just wanted to clear it up

1674
01:08:44,269 --> 01:08:40,890
the Citizen hearing on disclosure video

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01:08:46,700 --> 01:08:44,279
material was produced exclusively by me

1676
01:08:49,190 --> 01:08:46,710
and I've off Media Group my company and

1677
01:08:52,249 --> 01:08:49,200
my crew and we did a good chunk of the

1678
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:52,259
post-production as well and so when I

1679
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:54,210
hear people out there saying that

1680
01:08:57,050 --> 01:08:55,650
they're the producers that did the

1681
01:08:59,120 --> 01:08:57,060
Citizen hearing on disclosure when I

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01:09:01,370 --> 01:08:59,130
know for a fact that you know they

1683
01:09:03,410 --> 01:09:01,380
weren't even there participating in the

1684
01:09:05,329 --> 01:09:03,420
creation of the video that's being

1685
01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:05,339
distributed it's a little disheartening

1686
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:07,560
so I don't want to get too far into it

1687
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:08,850
but the Citizen hearing on disclosure

1688
01:09:14,180 --> 01:09:11,370
was produced by Ron James with Chris

1689
01:09:16,430 --> 01:09:14,190
O'Brien and a few other people that were

1690
01:09:19,249 --> 01:09:16,440
within my organization and so we're

1691
01:09:20,780 --> 01:09:19,259
talking about the video of the event the

1692
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:20,790
event itself was produced by Steve

1693
01:09:24,740 --> 01:09:23,130
Bassett and Ruben Langdon so I just want

1694
01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:24,750
to make sure that people understand that

1695
01:09:28,519 --> 01:09:26,460
when they hear people taking credit for

1696
01:09:30,170 --> 01:09:28,529
producing the videos that are in the

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01:09:32,209 --> 01:09:30,180
marketplace in producing all the other

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01:09:34,820 --> 01:09:32,219
material that um if they're not

1699
01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:34,830
mentioning us they're not telling the

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01:09:39,709 --> 01:09:37,500
truth speaking of producing videos you

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01:09:41,959 --> 01:09:39,719
tell me here in your notes that you're

1702
01:09:44,269 --> 01:09:41,969
also working on something regard to have

1703
01:09:46,670 --> 01:09:44,279
Travis Walton what's that project about

1704
01:09:50,510 --> 01:09:46,680
yeah you know Jenn Stein who Chris and I

1705
01:09:53,030 --> 01:09:50,520
worked with to win the 2012 EBE Awards

1706
01:09:55,670 --> 01:09:53,040
has been working on Travis the true

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01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:55,680
story of Travis Walton and it's going to

1708
01:10:00,890 --> 01:09:58,320
be premiering at open mind and I've been

1709
01:10:02,270 --> 01:10:00,900
fortunate in the last end of the of the

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01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,280
production to help her with some

1711
01:10:06,410 --> 01:10:04,080
technical stuff and also help her with

1712
01:10:09,470 --> 01:10:06,420
some contract negotiations and a few

1713
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:09,480
other elements of the film and so it's

1714
01:10:12,710 --> 01:10:11,040
really happy to be involved with Jen

1715
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:12,720
again and work on it and this is a

1716
01:10:17,330 --> 01:10:15,420
really nice piece it's very well done

1717
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:17,340
we're going to be adding some really

1718
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:18,810
great special effects and some other

1719
01:10:23,780 --> 01:10:22,050
elements to it in version 2 we're doing

1720
01:10:26,990 --> 01:10:23,790
some really cool stuff in April to

1721
01:10:29,180 --> 01:10:27,000
reenact Travis's actual experience but

1722
01:10:31,670 --> 01:10:29,190
Travis's involves 10 Freedmen's involved

1723
01:10:33,170 --> 01:10:31,680
Peter Robbins is involved people who go

1724
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:33,180
to open minds are going to be able to

1725
01:10:37,460 --> 01:10:35,370
see the film and I'm just happy to have

1726
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:37,470
been a small part of it this is kind of

1727
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,050
news to me I've uh I'm looking forward

1728
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:42,960
to seeing it of course having known

1729
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:46,530
Travis now for a number of years I've

1730
01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:48,450
always felt that his case was a special

1731
01:10:52,630 --> 01:10:50,430
one I I know there's detractors out

1732
01:10:55,610 --> 01:10:52,640
there and and there's people that have

1733
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:55,620
different opinions about about his case

1734
01:11:00,800 --> 01:10:58,800
but knowing Travis it's just you know

1735
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:00,810
something definitely rocked that guy's

1736
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:03,690
world and there's no question in my mind

1737
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:05,850
that that something did happen to him it

1738
01:11:12,350 --> 01:11:08,520
may not you know be exactly the way he

1739
01:11:14,420 --> 01:11:12,360
remembers it there's always some wiggle

1740
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:14,430
room there but but I do think he had a

1741
01:11:18,410 --> 01:11:16,170
high strange experience I don't think

1742
01:11:21,740 --> 01:11:18,420
those guys were we're making this stuff

1743
01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:21,750
up you know contrary to some people's

1744
01:11:26,150 --> 01:11:24,540
belief about the case I do feel it is

1745
01:11:27,410 --> 01:11:26,160
one of the more important cases out

1746
01:11:30,170 --> 01:11:27,420
there and I'm looking forward to seeing

1747
01:11:34,940 --> 01:11:30,180
any sort of project that that he has

1748
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:34,950
signed on for and and it's I'm looking

1749
01:11:39,410 --> 01:11:37,290
forward to it it should be good fans

1750
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:39,420
will not be disappointed we've revisited

1751
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:41,730
the site there's new interviews with all

1752
01:11:46,970 --> 01:11:44,210
of the witnesses there is a lot of

1753
01:11:48,740 --> 01:11:46,980
archival video of the original people

1754
01:11:50,900 --> 01:11:48,750
involved in in it there's follow-up

1755
01:11:53,180 --> 01:11:50,910
interviews with them it's a really

1756
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:53,190
really well-done piece you know a lot of

1757
01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:54,810
people don't know that it's coming and

1758
01:11:58,490 --> 01:11:56,580
that's because you know the people have

1759
01:12:00,080 --> 01:11:58,500
been very very busy making a great film

1760
01:12:01,980 --> 01:12:00,090
and haven't really had time to put out a

1761
01:12:03,570 --> 01:12:01,990
trailer so what

1762
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:03,580
the timetable here when do you expect to

1763
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:06,910
have it ready and released it's going to

1764
01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:09,010
be in the open minds festival if they

1765
01:12:12,180 --> 01:12:11,590
accept it it's been submitted so in a

1766
01:12:14,670 --> 01:12:12,190
few days

1767
01:12:17,940 --> 01:12:14,680
yeah I'm sure one show will be next week

1768
01:12:20,250 --> 01:12:17,950
the big premiere yes yeah looking

1769
01:12:21,870 --> 01:12:20,260
forward to it it should be good well one

1770
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:21,880
other thing while we yet before we jump

1771
01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:24,370
off the topic of ETS and disclosure my

1772
01:12:28,230 --> 01:12:26,350
new TV show on evolve TV is called

1773
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:28,240
bigger questions and there's a free

1774
01:12:33,540 --> 01:12:30,930
episode on the website in our auditorium

1775
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:33,550
that is a follow-up to the Citizen

1776
01:12:36,990 --> 01:12:35,110
hearing with an extensive interview with

1777
01:12:40,260 --> 01:12:37,000
Steve Bassett and it's free to watch and

1778
01:12:42,990 --> 01:12:40,270
that's it evolve tv.com and then just

1779
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:43,000
click on the auditorium link in general

1780
01:12:47,070 --> 01:12:44,560
what new stuff you're thinking bringing

1781
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:47,080
to the Travis Walton story that hasn't

1782
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:49,410
been discussed over the last few decades

1783
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:51,370
well you know it's interesting because

1784
01:12:55,710 --> 01:12:53,410
certainly you guys know that the movie

1785
01:12:59,220 --> 01:12:55,720
in fact in the doc we don't even really

1786
01:13:01,920 --> 01:12:59,230
talk about the movie we talk about what

1787
01:13:05,310 --> 01:13:01,930
Travis's life has been like since the

1788
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:05,320
the event happened we revisit some of

1789
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:07,870
this some of the actual things that were

1790
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:10,930
high controversy at the time and if had

1791
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:13,120
time for you know to shake out over time

1792
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:14,770
but you know stories haven't changed

1793
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:16,930
people haven't backed off what they said

1794
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:19,450
they saw Travis has always stuck to his

1795
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:21,040
guns that's had an effect on his life

1796
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:23,440
and an effect on everybody that was

1797
01:13:26,670 --> 01:13:24,970
involved in this and you know it takes a

1798
01:13:28,290 --> 01:13:26,680
lot of courage to realize that hey you

1799
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,300
know maybe if I just backed off the

1800
01:13:33,420 --> 01:13:30,640
story I could get back to some sort of

1801
01:13:35,730 --> 01:13:33,430
normalcy and not be that guy and so

1802
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:35,740
there's a lot about that and a lot about

1803
01:13:40,230 --> 01:13:37,930
Travis as a person and there's just a

1804
01:13:43,470 --> 01:13:40,240
lot of it's it's the the first real

1805
01:13:45,540 --> 01:13:43,480
solid collection of archival material

1806
01:13:47,670 --> 01:13:45,550
put together into a presentation so you

1807
01:13:49,890 --> 01:13:47,680
revisit the incident you know you're

1808
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,900
there with the sheriff and the guy that

1809
01:13:52,530 --> 01:13:51,040
administered the first little

1810
01:13:55,050 --> 01:13:52,540
lie-detector tests and all of that

1811
01:13:57,810 --> 01:13:55,060
material is in there old archives and

1812
01:13:59,820 --> 01:13:57,820
new interviews so it's a you know it's

1813
01:14:02,460 --> 01:13:59,830
it's the documentary that it should have

1814
01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:02,470
been done you know 20 years ago so yeah

1815
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:04,150
it's definitely anybody interested in

1816
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:05,530
the topic is going to learn something

1817
01:14:10,650 --> 01:14:08,410
new and they're going to see all of the

1818
01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:10,660
pieces that they already knew put

1819
01:14:15,090 --> 01:14:12,820
together in one place and it's it's

1820
01:14:17,790 --> 01:14:15,100
truly a nice piece what's

1821
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:17,800
sort of myths or errors are you

1822
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:21,130
debunking in this documentary well you

1823
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:22,330
know I don't want to go too far but

1824
01:14:25,230 --> 01:14:23,410
there are certainly some things about

1825
01:14:27,620 --> 01:14:25,240
the lie detectors that the lie detector

1826
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:27,630
tests that have been confused at best

1827
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:31,050
that's one and there's some fantastic

1828
01:14:35,490 --> 01:14:33,370
evidence that's going to be presented

1829
01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:35,500
for the first time it has to do with

1830
01:14:42,540 --> 01:14:39,510
unusual physical evidence that has

1831
01:14:45,570 --> 01:14:42,550
manifested at the scene and I can't talk

1832
01:14:48,810 --> 01:14:45,580
about it but I can tell you that it is

1833
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:48,820
documented it is right there on tape and

1834
01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:50,170
when you see it with your own eyes you

1835
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:53,470
see what's happened to the environment

1836
01:14:59,610 --> 01:14:56,770
immediately around the the scene over

1837
01:15:03,150 --> 01:14:59,620
the years it's pretty pretty

1838
01:15:05,730 --> 01:15:03,160
mind-blowing now do you find this with

1839
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,740
other incidents of this sort where there

1840
01:15:10,710 --> 01:15:07,840
was supposedly a kidnapping or an

1841
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:10,720
abduction that the environment where the

1842
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:14,050
UFO allegedly landed is undergoing

1843
01:15:18,780 --> 01:15:16,480
unusual changes well you know certainly

1844
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:18,790
you have anomalies happening at sites

1845
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:20,650
where unexplained phenomena is occurring

1846
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:22,930
I mean which it's pretty well documented

1847
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:25,330
what happens at crop circle sites it's

1848
01:15:29,070 --> 01:15:27,730
well documented what happens at other

1849
01:15:30,330 --> 01:15:29,080
sites and then of course some sites

1850
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:30,340
there's nothing

1851
01:15:34,830 --> 01:15:32,490
the radiation thing is always a

1852
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:34,840
curiosity this this is none of those

1853
01:15:40,410 --> 01:15:38,290
things so I don't know that I've noticed

1854
01:15:43,590 --> 01:15:40,420
a pattern of consistency through all

1855
01:15:46,350 --> 01:15:43,600
these sites and sometimes the so-called

1856
01:15:47,550 --> 01:15:46,360
phenomena is pretty easy to debunk what

1857
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:47,560
you're gonna see in the Travis Walton

1858
01:15:51,450 --> 01:15:49,840
film is not easy to debunk it's it's

1859
01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:51,460
real and it's physical and it's there

1860
01:15:57,870 --> 01:15:54,550
and it's it's it's irrefutable so and

1861
01:15:59,520 --> 01:15:57,880
and there is another instance of this

1862
01:16:02,130 --> 01:15:59,530
exact phenomenon happening somewhere

1863
01:16:04,770 --> 01:16:02,140
else where a similar event is rumored to

1864
01:16:06,570 --> 01:16:04,780
have happened so I don't want to go in

1865
01:16:08,610 --> 01:16:06,580
too much on what you're gonna see but I

1866
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:08,620
promise there's a really good nugget in

1867
01:16:13,710 --> 01:16:11,770
that film you do not believe in spoiler

1868
01:16:14,820 --> 01:16:13,720
alerts that's the thing I'm getting from

1869
01:16:16,530 --> 01:16:14,830
you right well I've already told you

1870
01:16:18,900 --> 01:16:16,540
guys a lot about the film and this is

1871
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:18,910
this is one piece that I just they just

1872
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have to see it okay we've got more to

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see more to here we see Ron James as he

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squirms oh he asked him hard questions

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now he doesn't he's pretty

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straightforward and pretty

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crisis is here and most people are not

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well would you fare we've been told for

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years to have a supply of food stored

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but the reasons may be different than

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you think

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infectious disease domestic terrorism

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and government regulations can and will

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prevent you from going to the store if

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you've ever considered getting a supply

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a light back at interest

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forcing taxes to service debt this

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capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

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stating a central bank issuing the

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public currency is a greater menace to

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the liberties of the people than a

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standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm

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placing a free silver dollar in a book

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that explains our monetary system call

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for your copy eight hundred six eight

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six two two three seven it's time to

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understand the system call eight

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six eight six two two three seven that's

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800 six eight six two two three seven hi

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it's Greg Cameron from presidential UFO

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calm you're listening to the Parrikar

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the gold standard of paranormal radio on

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the parent case with gene and Chris

1982
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reminder that video is coming soon how

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soon I don't know we're still working on

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it

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to the parent cast plus at plus not the

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O'Brien at plus doctor para cast I come

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we're talking about projects underway by

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01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:41,360
our documentary producer here mr. Ron

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01:21:44,710 --> 01:21:43,130
James Chris you want to get into

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01:21:47,740 --> 01:21:44,720
anything else about that before we get

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01:21:51,010 --> 01:21:47,750
into some listener questions yeah in

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01:21:55,510 --> 01:21:51,020
regard to trace evidence and in landing

1999
01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:55,520
sites just a quick point there does

2000
01:22:01,390 --> 01:21:57,730
appear to be some some consistency in

2001
01:22:04,270 --> 01:22:01,400
terms of us effects on the soil the

2002
01:22:05,860 --> 01:22:04,280
soils oftentimes totally you know the

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01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:05,870
the moisture is totally stripped from

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01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:10,400
the soil leaving almost like a dry

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01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:13,520
fusion crushed behind water runs off

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01:22:20,190 --> 01:22:16,610
doesn't absorb into the into the ground

2007
01:22:23,850 --> 01:22:20,200
um the delphos case we mentioned I think

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01:22:27,060 --> 01:22:23,860
the last show was a classic example of

2009
01:22:30,460 --> 01:22:27,070
the effect of this particular craft

2010
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:30,470
apparent craft landing affected the

2011
01:22:36,340 --> 01:22:33,440
environment for years afterwards there's

2012
01:22:40,660 --> 01:22:36,350
a really good picture that Colin Andrews

2013
01:22:43,210 --> 01:22:40,670
has of where he had a landing I think

2014
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:43,220
outside of his school and that mark

2015
01:22:48,850 --> 01:22:46,490
stayed for decades there in fact I think

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01:22:51,550 --> 01:22:48,860
you can almost you can still see the

2017
01:22:52,530 --> 01:22:51,560
effect of that that event fifty years

2018
01:22:54,570 --> 01:22:52,540
later

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you know there are some interesting

2020
01:22:59,010 --> 01:22:57,070
cases I think that that have been had

2021
01:23:01,770 --> 01:22:59,020
shown that the physical effects in the

2022
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:01,780
environment can last literally for

2023
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:04,000
decades so I'd be very interested to see

2024
01:23:08,340 --> 01:23:06,250
what what kind of works been done at the

2025
01:23:10,710 --> 01:23:08,350
Travis site and of course that site is

2026
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:10,720
fairly close to where I live you know if

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01:23:16,710 --> 01:23:13,600
I if I could fly like a bird I could be

2028
01:23:18,990 --> 01:23:16,720
there in about 40 minutes 35 minutes as

2029
01:23:21,150 --> 01:23:19,000
the crow flies so this is a wonderful

2030
01:23:23,670 --> 01:23:21,160
part of the country here along the

2031
01:23:26,010 --> 01:23:23,680
Mogollon Rim and and I'd be really

2032
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:26,020
interested to see see the project and

2033
01:23:30,150 --> 01:23:27,370
much luck to them

2034
01:23:31,290 --> 01:23:30,160
Ron you mentioned that you were going to

2035
01:23:35,490 --> 01:23:31,300
talk about some of the projects that

2036
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:35,500
that we were involved with you know your

2037
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,560
whole idea of doing a show on EVP I

2038
01:23:45,180 --> 01:23:40,960
think is a good one it's something that

2039
01:23:47,010 --> 01:23:45,190
we've discussed a few times and it is a

2040
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:47,020
controversial area I think a lot of

2041
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:48,970
people there's a lot of misconceptions

2042
01:23:54,030 --> 01:23:51,250
about electronic voice phenomena I

2043
01:23:56,610 --> 01:23:54,040
should say and why don't you give our

2044
01:23:58,830 --> 01:23:56,620
listeners a sense of some of the work

2045
01:24:01,890 --> 01:23:58,840
that we've done in projects that you

2046
01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:01,900
have in the works that may address this

2047
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:03,790
particular ministry yeah you know I'm

2048
01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:05,290
glad you brought that up Chris because

2049
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you know as a filmmaker I believe in

2050
01:24:12,690 --> 01:24:10,030
covering all of the subjects that are

2051
01:24:15,180 --> 01:24:12,700
mysterious to us and I've been doing

2052
01:24:18,510 --> 01:24:15,190
UFOs for a while I'm starting to get the

2053
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:18,520
tinfoil hats syndrome and so you know

2054
01:24:22,170 --> 01:24:20,650
I've won the awards that are there to

2055
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:22,180
win and I've made the films that are

2056
01:24:25,170 --> 01:24:23,650
there to make and I've interviewed the

2057
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:25,180
people that are there to interview and

2058
01:24:29,930 --> 01:24:26,890
so I'm gonna take a little bit of a

2059
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:29,940
break from UFOs and I'm gonna go back to

2060
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,320
mysterious phenomenon such as ghosts and

2061
01:24:37,980 --> 01:24:34,960
EVP and you know Chris you and I may

2062
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:37,990
dead whisper together and when that film

2063
01:24:42,150 --> 01:24:40,480
came out we presented some evidence of

2064
01:24:44,670 --> 01:24:42,160
electronic voice phenomenon that pretty

2065
01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:44,680
much goes beyond your typical debunking

2066
01:24:49,470 --> 01:24:47,830
things that people will say so you know

2067
01:24:50,820 --> 01:24:49,480
it's not straight radio waves it's not

2068
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:50,830
this it's not that it's not your

2069
01:24:56,610 --> 01:24:53,410
imagination we found some really some

2070
01:24:59,340 --> 01:24:56,620
stuff that was pretty hard to refute one

2071
01:25:01,230 --> 01:24:59,350
of the things obviously was the the EVP

2072
01:25:03,090 --> 01:25:01,240
with Robby Thomas where he was supposed

2073
01:25:04,700 --> 01:25:03,100
to be supposedly talking to the ghost of

2074
01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:04,710
a little child and he's

2075
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:06,510
what was your favorite time of year Adam

2076
01:25:10,670 --> 01:25:09,120
and then Robby says Christmas and when

2077
01:25:14,090 --> 01:25:10,680
we listen to the tape a little bit later

2078
01:25:15,950 --> 01:25:14,100
we heard Christmas as a EVP right before

2079
01:25:19,250 --> 01:25:15,960
Robby says Christmas and there was just

2080
01:25:20,750 --> 01:25:19,260
no way that this was a coincidence and

2081
01:25:22,090 --> 01:25:20,760
there's no way that we faked it because

2082
01:25:24,590 --> 01:25:22,100
we're sitting here with the original

2083
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:24,600
voice recorder and we still have those

2084
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:26,489
original files anybody can inspect them

2085
01:25:30,910 --> 01:25:28,770
they haven't been altered in any way so

2086
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:30,920
to me electronic voice phenomenon

2087
01:25:35,959 --> 01:25:32,880
regardless of what we think is causing

2088
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:35,969
it is definitely real and it is

2089
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:38,400
definitely something to meet some of the

2090
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:41,520
strongest evidence for the existence of

2091
01:25:46,700 --> 01:25:44,489
life beyond our perception so we're

2092
01:25:48,260 --> 01:25:46,710
getting back into that and you remember

2093
01:25:49,459 --> 01:25:48,270
Chris when we filmed ghost asylum

2094
01:25:51,620 --> 01:25:49,469
another movie that you and I made

2095
01:25:54,620 --> 01:25:51,630
together on the way back you remember

2096
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:54,630
what we did in Oklahoma City yeah that

2097
01:26:00,380 --> 01:25:57,600
was that was pretty amazing we went to

2098
01:26:02,810 --> 01:26:00,390
the memorial park there at the former

2099
01:26:08,330 --> 01:26:02,820
site of the Murrah Building that was

2100
01:26:12,860 --> 01:26:08,340
taken down by I guess homespun

2101
01:26:15,140 --> 01:26:12,870
terrorists if you will and we did some

2102
01:26:17,959 --> 01:26:15,150
EVP sessions there and some of the

2103
01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:17,969
things we got was just amazing quite

2104
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:20,760
quite amazing we haven't released them

2105
01:26:24,110 --> 01:26:22,170
yet because there's some questions

2106
01:26:26,450 --> 01:26:24,120
regarding the copyright of the site

2107
01:26:29,900 --> 01:26:26,460
basically i sat in the exact spot where

2108
01:26:31,940 --> 01:26:29,910
the truck blew up and Chris videotaped

2109
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:31,950
me from about 20 feet away and I pulled

2110
01:26:36,500 --> 01:26:34,080
out a voice recorder and I started

2111
01:26:37,820 --> 01:26:36,510
asking questions and we were told that

2112
01:26:39,950 --> 01:26:37,830
we couldn't film there for any

2113
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:39,960
commercial purposes and my subsequent

2114
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:41,520
research has shown that it's a private

2115
01:26:46,910 --> 01:26:44,880
company that puts the place that

2116
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:46,920
maintains the place and so we have some

2117
01:26:50,510 --> 01:26:49,050
issues that the video is two rather we

2118
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:50,520
can even show it and I think that if

2119
01:26:54,140 --> 01:26:52,080
they find out oh yeah these guys did a

2120
01:26:55,820 --> 01:26:54,150
seance it's at the site and they got

2121
01:26:57,740 --> 01:26:55,830
this evidence we're gonna have some

2122
01:27:00,380 --> 01:26:57,750
serious legal problems so we're waiting

2123
01:27:02,260 --> 01:27:00,390
through that but at some point we're

2124
01:27:05,420 --> 01:27:02,270
gonna figure out a way to release it

2125
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:05,430
when we got the EVP I'd ask the typical

2126
01:27:08,780 --> 01:27:06,930
questions what happened to you here and

2127
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:08,790
we got a lot of really weird stuff but

2128
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:10,890
the EVP that was the most compelling

2129
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:13,890
booth was a distinct southern accent

2130
01:27:18,650 --> 01:27:17,280
said it was a bomb the granite pinned us

2131
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:18,660
people panicked

2132
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:21,450
and it was so freaky that when we

2133
01:27:25,730 --> 01:27:23,040
listened to it coming back was like

2134
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:25,740
there's just it when you get an EVP that

2135
01:27:30,890 --> 01:27:28,050
has an accent or a dialect which I've

2136
01:27:33,770 --> 01:27:30,900
seen happen several times that defies

2137
01:27:35,780 --> 01:27:33,780
explanation when you get an EVP that

2138
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:35,790
speaks in a in a language it's not

2139
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spoken anymore it's a ancient Indian

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01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,320
site which Mike Esposito has has shown

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me that he's done that defies

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explanation

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and so we're getting ready to get back

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into EVP in a big way

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I've put together a cast for a pilot

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show for destination America rather or

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01:27:58,910 --> 01:27:57,300
not they buy it is up to them but it's

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gonna be called just ghost voices and

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01:28:02,510 --> 01:27:59,970
it's not going to be guys running around

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in sheets and tennis shoes and a lot of

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fake stuff it's going to be real EVP

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investigations with chris michael

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01:28:14,150 --> 01:28:11,630
esposito who is the EVP hero and an

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01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:14,160
unnamed female talent who's really going

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01:28:18,500 --> 01:28:16,650
to bring a spark to the show and so

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01:28:21,820 --> 01:28:18,510
we'll be shooting it we're gonna shoot

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01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:21,830
the first one within 30 to 60 days and

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01:28:26,510 --> 01:28:24,690
we know from our previous experience we

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01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:26,520
can go to places we can get EVP just

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about anywhere and mike is such a good

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01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:30,510
technician and there's such a good

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chemistry in our team that where other

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01:28:36,740 --> 01:28:35,100
go shows you're using EVP as an aside

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it's like oh you know we ran around we

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acted scared we showed you some fun in

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01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:40,050
the dark footage and a little bit of

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01:28:43,610 --> 01:28:41,760
drama oh and by the way we captured this

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01:28:45,770 --> 01:28:43,620
voice and here's a sound file and then

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you know cut to commercial our show is

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01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:48,570
about EVP it's about exploring what EVP

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is it's about bringing forth

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unbelievable

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occurrences of EVP that defy all

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explanation and it's about looking at

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the scientific and quantum nature of

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what EVP might be so it's taking it to

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the next level and that's what Chris and

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I are working on right now just a brief

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01:29:10,460 --> 01:29:08,340
question before we do our break and that

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is with these other shows you think

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sometimes to fit content into 43 minutes

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01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:16,410
which is the amount of content you get

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01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:19,290
on the one-hour TV reality show they're

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making a few things up in terms of

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01:29:26,570 --> 01:29:24,120
evidence well you know the the spectrum

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01:29:27,770 --> 01:29:26,580
is wide as far as what's permissible or

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01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:27,780
what's being done and it's getting worse

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01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:29,520
and worse so if you have to go to a

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01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:31,050
break let's pick that up when you come

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back because that's a lot

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answer oh boy of the implications of

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that are fascinating

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it's Hollyweird yeah so Chris you want

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to open up with that question from your

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reader and then we can answer Jane's

2196
01:29:49,370 --> 01:29:47,730
questions the same time hey that's a

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plot we'll do that when we do our break

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I reminder we have something else to

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give away a copy of secrets of the

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mysterious valley from Chris O'Brien

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that's the other golden egg that he is

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people doing that sort of thing cuz

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we're not gonna send the book with gene

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paranormal and he said he had a long

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answer to a short question that I want

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to hear right now run yeah we were

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talking about you know Hollywood and TV

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shows and what they do in the paranormal

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Hollywood has a job and that is to sell

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stuff teat a very well-known TV

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executive once told me while I was

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trying to pitch a show he said you know

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what you do is filler for what we do and

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at the end of the day a TV show is made

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to sell toilet paper coca-cola and

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Kentucky Fried Chicken it's the only

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reason that exists so when we as true

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paranormal aficionados look to

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mainstream television to provide us with

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good solid concrete stuff that's not

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where you're gonna find it so you're

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gonna find things that are created for

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entertainment value and you're going to

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find a group of people who are concerned

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about ratings and everything else what

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they do for us in a positive way is if

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they do spread awareness you know you

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could watch these shows and yeah they

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might be hype they might be making stuff

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up flat out in fact there's a huge trend

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towards that I'll discuss in a sec but

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you know at least they're opening

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people's eyes to these things and the

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people that want to know more can get on

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the web and they can find out more and

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they can sift through what's fluff and

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what's truth and so they serve their

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purpose and they entertain and they

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certainly expand the the interest but

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none of these shows are really on our

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side as far as hey we're going to

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present this solid evidence it's going

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to be impeccable and we're going to make

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sure that everything we say is

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absolutely verifiable and and because

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then that you know they're not

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accomplishing what they want to

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accomplish so almost every major ghost

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show has been popped for you know doing

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things that weren't quite true and then

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now we have the fake u-men tree where

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they make these shows that seem like

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they're real but they're not there's

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monsters and myths on destination

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America where they just make up these

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monsters you know we're down in Arkansas

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looking for the three-toed pig man with

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red eyes and they actually have

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witnesses and they have these old bozos

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that are running through the woods and

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and that's the show and I I don't know

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01:37:23,790 --> 01:37:22,120
who's watching that kind of stuff but

2392
01:37:26,010 --> 01:37:23,800
it's a disturbing trend you know the

2393
01:37:30,330 --> 01:37:26,020
mermaid body discovered was a complete

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01:37:32,460 --> 01:37:30,340
fake the Megalodon shark documentary was

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a complete fake and these things are

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made huge big-budget fake movies and and

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only in very small type at the end of

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the thing do you see that they're

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fictionalized so we can't expect

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Hollywood to serve the true desires of

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the paranormal community with integrity

2402
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:52,020
but we can expect them to entertain us

2403
01:37:55,770 --> 01:37:54,250
well that's the big problem here if

2404
01:37:57,780 --> 01:37:55,780
people are accustomed to seeing

2405
01:38:00,960 --> 01:37:57,790
something that's just entertainment

2406
01:38:02,610 --> 01:38:00,970
that's either exaggerated or just plain

2407
01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:02,620
untrue when you present the real

2408
01:38:06,420 --> 01:38:04,480
information to them they assume this is

2409
01:38:08,850 --> 01:38:06,430
just entertainment too how do you make a

2410
01:38:10,590 --> 01:38:08,860
distinction well I think that people

2411
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:10,600
have a you know people have the ability

2412
01:38:15,450 --> 01:38:13,570
to discern and people that really get

2413
01:38:17,100 --> 01:38:15,460
into it like you know let's look at

2414
01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:17,110
ancient aliens you know I'm not going to

2415
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:18,610
say anything negative about what these

2416
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:20,170
guys are doing but let's face it they're

2417
01:38:25,650 --> 01:38:22,690
in season six and it's like Oh on a

2418
01:38:27,420 --> 01:38:25,660
mountaintop in Bolivia a rock with a

2419
01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:27,430
particular shade of green has been

2420
01:38:31,290 --> 01:38:29,920
discovered it must have been aliens you

2421
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:31,300
know it's like they're running out of

2422
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:33,250
stuff and and where they might have had

2423
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:35,290
at first some really compelling evidence

2424
01:38:38,180 --> 01:38:36,570
they've really

2425
01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:38,190
the truth I mean there's entire shows

2426
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:40,410
that are out there just debunking an

2427
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:42,570
episode ancient aliens comes up and then

2428
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,400
on YouTube three days later there's a

2429
01:38:49,490 --> 01:38:46,800
whole episode of a ancient aliens

2430
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:49,500
debunked you know that that was and

2431
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:51,330
still is one of the best shows out there

2432
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:53,330
for for presenting this kind of evidence

2433
01:38:59,780 --> 01:38:56,130
people can discern if you watch an

2434
01:39:00,230 --> 01:38:59,790
episode of any show and you want to know

2435
01:39:01,970 --> 01:39:00,240
more

2436
01:39:04,910 --> 01:39:01,980
you're gonna hop online and you're gonna

2437
01:39:07,010 --> 01:39:04,920
start learning if you EVP happen in a

2438
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:07,020
show and you want to know well you know

2439
01:39:11,450 --> 01:39:09,690
what is that really I personally want to

2440
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:11,460
know more then you're gonna get online

2441
01:39:15,980 --> 01:39:14,400
you're gonna read the debunkers of EVP

2442
01:39:17,900 --> 01:39:15,990
you're gonna read what the people that

2443
01:39:19,700 --> 01:39:17,910
support it as a legitimate phenomenon

2444
01:39:22,970 --> 01:39:19,710
have to say and you're gonna make up

2445
01:39:24,590 --> 01:39:22,980
your own mind and for the casual

2446
01:39:25,970 --> 01:39:24,600
observer they don't care they watch the

2447
01:39:27,410 --> 01:39:25,980
ghost show and they go on about their

2448
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:27,420
lives and they don't even give it a

2449
01:39:32,750 --> 01:39:29,930
second thought but for the people that

2450
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:32,760
haven't been exposed to this and are

2451
01:39:37,310 --> 01:39:35,010
prone to wanting to investigate these

2452
01:39:39,260 --> 01:39:37,320
kind of mysteries rather it's true or

2453
01:39:43,490 --> 01:39:39,270
not Italy serves the purpose of

2454
01:39:45,620 --> 01:39:43,500
awakening the curious mind and again I

2455
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:45,630
put a lot of faith in people's ability

2456
01:39:52,700 --> 01:39:50,610
to discern I'm not so much of a of an

2457
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:52,710
editor of the information that I put out

2458
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:55,170
as long as it's put out in integrity you

2459
01:39:58,610 --> 01:39:56,730
know you can go to I've off TV and you

2460
01:40:01,250 --> 01:39:58,620
can find videos about crystal healing do

2461
01:40:03,380 --> 01:40:01,260
I particularly think that crystal

2462
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:03,390
healing is the next medical modality no

2463
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:06,210
but some people do and I leave it to

2464
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:07,890
them to decide if it's something they

2465
01:40:12,410 --> 01:40:09,450
want to pursue so I think these

2466
01:40:15,220 --> 01:40:12,420
mainstream media shows they they're not

2467
01:40:17,420 --> 01:40:15,230
always 100% the truth they tend to

2468
01:40:19,670 --> 01:40:17,430
sensationalize things but they do serve

2469
01:40:22,220 --> 01:40:19,680
a purpose and for people that really

2470
01:40:25,970 --> 01:40:22,230
want to know they can serve as a doorway

2471
01:40:27,950 --> 01:40:25,980
to deeper investigation or maybe just

2472
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:27,960
turn them off oh it's just entertainment

2473
01:40:32,150 --> 01:40:29,610
why should we take it seriously

2474
01:40:35,300 --> 01:40:32,160
well again Jean the people that really

2475
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:35,310
want the answer are going to go find the

2476
01:40:39,110 --> 01:40:37,410
answer if when I first saw ancient

2477
01:40:40,210 --> 01:40:39,120
aliens a guy keep going back to that

2478
01:40:43,130 --> 01:40:40,220
because I think it really is a

2479
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:43,140
groundbreaking show when I first saw it

2480
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:45,330
I was amazed by what they were showing

2481
01:40:49,220 --> 01:40:47,250
me so I hopped online and I did my own

2482
01:40:49,940 --> 01:40:49,230
research about puma punku and i did my

2483
01:40:53,180 --> 01:40:49,950
own research

2484
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:53,190
these places and so even if I think it's

2485
01:40:57,950 --> 01:40:55,890
it's not true if I'm the kind of person

2486
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:57,960
who's prone to that kind of thing if I

2487
01:41:01,250 --> 01:40:59,760
have a curiosity about ghosts or I have

2488
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:01,260
a curiosity about our place in the

2489
01:41:06,590 --> 01:41:05,280
universe I will go through that and I

2490
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:06,600
will find my own answers and if that

2491
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:08,850
show happens to be the doorway that

2492
01:41:12,590 --> 01:41:10,710
caught my attention and made me go find

2493
01:41:15,260 --> 01:41:12,600
out for myself it's okay I don't think

2494
01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:15,270
anybody goes oh that's all bull and and

2495
01:41:20,690 --> 01:41:17,250
just moves on if they're if they're

2496
01:41:22,850 --> 01:41:20,700
casual observers maybe but in that case

2497
01:41:25,790 --> 01:41:22,860
in the case of the casual observer the

2498
01:41:27,170 --> 01:41:25,800
show will tend to have them say well

2499
01:41:28,940 --> 01:41:27,180
maybe it's real because they're not

2500
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,950
gonna they're most of these shows have

2501
01:41:32,750 --> 01:41:30,480
truth blended with fiction blender with

2502
01:41:34,100 --> 01:41:32,760
sensationalism blended with carefully

2503
01:41:38,090 --> 01:41:34,110
time brakes so they can sell you

2504
01:41:40,190 --> 01:41:38,100
coca-cola but they create curiosity and

2505
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:40,200
even if you say well I don't think that

2506
01:41:43,430 --> 01:41:41,610
was a ghost that guy saw her I don't

2507
01:41:45,170 --> 01:41:43,440
think that was a ghost voice or I don't

2508
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:45,180
think that story about alien abduction

2509
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:47,610
is true you're still your curiosity is

2510
01:41:52,100 --> 01:41:49,530
awakened and once your curiosity is

2511
01:41:53,930 --> 01:41:52,110
awakened it's up to you rather to let it

2512
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:53,940
stay awake or to put it to sleep well

2513
01:41:57,530 --> 01:41:55,290
isn't that the same argument you would

2514
01:41:59,480 --> 01:41:57,540
then make for presenting people with

2515
01:42:02,540 --> 01:41:59,490
less than compelling testimony or

2516
01:42:03,980 --> 01:42:02,550
clearly faked stories at UFO events it

2517
01:42:05,900 --> 01:42:03,990
doesn't matter as long as you get people

2518
01:42:07,340 --> 01:42:05,910
curious well no because you know I think

2519
01:42:10,460 --> 01:42:07,350
that as you get deeper into the genre

2520
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:10,470
your responsibility your responsibility

2521
01:42:14,750 --> 01:42:12,840
for integrity increases you know when

2522
01:42:16,670 --> 01:42:14,760
you're just casually watching a UFO show

2523
01:42:18,440 --> 01:42:16,680
okay that's mainstream it's not it but

2524
01:42:20,180 --> 01:42:18,450
when you're a UFO investigator and

2525
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:20,190
you're showing up at a conference or

2526
01:42:25,550 --> 01:42:22,890
you're a UFO filmmaker who is made a

2527
01:42:27,650 --> 01:42:25,560
reputation for supposedly conveying the

2528
01:42:30,380 --> 01:42:27,660
truth your responsibility to the truth

2529
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:30,390
the deeper you get into the genre your

2530
01:42:34,610 --> 01:42:32,970
responsibility to the truth increases so

2531
01:42:36,590 --> 01:42:34,620
when you're when you're making casual

2532
01:42:38,570 --> 01:42:36,600
stuff for mainstream digestion and

2533
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:38,580
you're doing it inside what we maybe we

2534
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:40,890
call the Hollywood formula you can get

2535
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:42,210
away with a certain amount of stuff and

2536
01:42:46,340 --> 01:42:43,890
people get it and nobody really gets mad

2537
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:46,350
but when you are presenting evidence at

2538
01:42:51,470 --> 01:42:49,290
a conference or you are on the big radio

2539
01:42:53,180 --> 01:42:51,480
shows or you're writing the books your

2540
01:42:55,460 --> 01:42:53,190
responsibility is completely different

2541
01:42:57,980 --> 01:42:55,470
and so I think that when you get deeper

2542
01:42:59,240 --> 01:42:57,990
into some of the scandals and some of

2543
01:43:00,229 --> 01:42:59,250
the questionable things that we've seen

2544
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:00,239
yeah

2545
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:03,330
repercussions and the sadness in what's

2546
01:43:08,900 --> 01:43:06,330
really going on gets worse unfortunately

2547
01:43:10,430 --> 01:43:08,910
I think we see that on TV news where

2548
01:43:12,740 --> 01:43:10,440
it's done for entertainment where they

2549
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:12,750
basically gin up stories

2550
01:43:18,650 --> 01:43:16,080
they make phony scandals they exaggerate

2551
01:43:20,450 --> 01:43:18,660
the news and all that happens is that

2552
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:20,460
people who should be informed about

2553
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:21,930
what's going on because so many

2554
01:43:26,810 --> 01:43:24,330
important things are going on are now

2555
01:43:29,209 --> 01:43:26,820
being misled by some elements of the

2556
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:29,219
mainstream media I will not name the

2557
01:43:33,770 --> 01:43:31,650
worst offenders I think a lot of our

2558
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:33,780
listeners know who those offenders are

2559
01:43:37,220 --> 01:43:35,610
these are amazing we can't name the

2560
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:37,230
worst offenders you know what why'd you

2561
01:43:39,950 --> 01:43:37,650
do it

2562
01:43:41,420 --> 01:43:39,960
what the heck well I don't know who you

2563
01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:41,430
think is worse offenders I mean you know

2564
01:43:45,170 --> 01:43:43,170
if all of the big mainstream media

2565
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:45,180
people are all puppets you can find

2566
01:43:49,700 --> 01:43:48,090
videos online on YouTube of talking

2567
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:49,710
points just Google talking points on

2568
01:43:55,700 --> 01:43:52,320
YouTube and you'll see that on any given

2569
01:43:57,620 --> 01:43:55,710
day the same newscasters across dozens

2570
01:43:59,360 --> 01:43:57,630
of outlets are saying the exact same

2571
01:44:00,979 --> 01:43:59,370
words and somebody's feeding them that

2572
01:44:02,540 --> 01:44:00,989
and it's not you know it could be on CNN

2573
01:44:04,190 --> 01:44:02,550
it could be on Fox it could be on any of

2574
01:44:06,440 --> 01:44:04,200
these outlets across the different

2575
01:44:08,270 --> 01:44:06,450
supposedly competitive outlets but

2576
01:44:09,650 --> 01:44:08,280
they're saying the same stuff and it's

2577
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:09,660
really freaky because they're not saying

2578
01:44:12,740 --> 01:44:11,370
the same basic thing they're saying the

2579
01:44:14,450 --> 01:44:12,750
same thing word for word

2580
01:44:16,670 --> 01:44:14,460
so it's irrefutable evidence that

2581
01:44:18,020 --> 01:44:16,680
somebody somewhere is feeding the

2582
01:44:19,850 --> 01:44:18,030
mainstream media the stuff they're

2583
01:44:21,650 --> 01:44:19,860
supposed to say you know there's there's

2584
01:44:24,170 --> 01:44:21,660
two kinds of people and there's the kind

2585
01:44:25,940 --> 01:44:24,180
that are really interested in this stuff

2586
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:25,950
and they've done enough personal

2587
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:27,840
investigation to know what's going on

2588
01:44:32,030 --> 01:44:30,090
you know we know that the United States

2589
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:32,040
is becoming a oligarchy and we know that

2590
01:44:36,530 --> 01:44:34,290
the control is really happening by

2591
01:44:38,660 --> 01:44:36,540
people that we don't see and then

2592
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,670
there's people who don't care and so at

2593
01:44:42,860 --> 01:44:40,800
the end of the day this deception it's

2594
01:44:44,300 --> 01:44:42,870
an obvious blatant deception even the

2595
01:44:46,370 --> 01:44:44,310
people that don't care know what's going

2596
01:44:48,380 --> 01:44:46,380
on they just don't care what we're

2597
01:44:50,300 --> 01:44:48,390
ending up with oddly enough is even

2598
01:44:52,130 --> 01:44:50,310
though we have this manipulative BS

2599
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:52,140
media that's feeding us this stuff we

2600
01:44:55,459 --> 01:44:53,489
all know that that's exactly what's

2601
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:55,469
happening are we really being deceived

2602
01:44:59,090 --> 01:44:57,810
are we just allowing the deceivers to

2603
01:45:00,530 --> 01:44:59,100
keep doing what they're doing and if we

2604
01:45:02,440 --> 01:45:00,540
want to know the truth we know already

2605
01:45:04,580 --> 01:45:02,450
that there's other places to find it

2606
01:45:07,220 --> 01:45:04,590
unfortunately I talked to some people

2607
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:07,230
who believe that these fabricated

2608
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:09,810
stories or exaggerated stories are true

2609
01:45:12,030 --> 01:45:11,280
but that's another story we can get to

2610
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:12,040
that

2611
01:45:16,380 --> 01:45:14,130
different show maybe we have Ron James

2612
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:16,390
documentary producer I'm going to ask by

2613
01:45:21,240 --> 01:45:19,210
the way what quantum paranormal is all

2614
01:45:27,410 --> 01:45:21,250
about in our next segment with Gina and

2615
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:29,490
independently leading the way for the

2616
01:45:37,470 --> 01:45:32,410
nation compelling talk for every

2617
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this they must cease and desist issues

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2641
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2669
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:25,690
increased our price in over ten years

2670
01:47:29,580 --> 01:47:27,730
that makes heart and body extract as

2671
01:47:31,740 --> 01:47:29,590
great a value now as it was the first

2672
01:47:33,900 --> 01:47:31,750
day we sold it a healthy heart is a

2673
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:33,910
happy heart call eight six six two nine

2674
01:47:48,469 --> 01:47:44,739
[Applause]

2675
01:47:52,779 --> 01:47:48,479
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2676
01:48:00,469 --> 01:47:52,789
standard of paranormal radio and now

2677
01:48:03,109 --> 01:48:00,479
here's Jean Steinberg before we veer off

2678
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:03,119
off this topic there's a question on our

2679
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:05,489
forums that I think is a good one that

2680
01:48:10,250 --> 01:48:08,010
I'd like to bring up at this point and

2681
01:48:11,810 --> 01:48:10,260
this this really has to do I think with

2682
01:48:16,129 --> 01:48:11,820
a lot of what ron was just talking about

2683
01:48:18,259 --> 01:48:16,139
in terms of integrity and this question

2684
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:18,269
comes from a lien Esquire he's a fairly

2685
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:20,010
recent sign up it formed out the para

2686
01:48:24,620 --> 01:48:22,530
cast com and he has a hesitation

2687
01:48:26,689 --> 01:48:24,630
regarding the expansion of paranormal

2688
01:48:28,399 --> 01:48:26,699
media coverage because he thinks that

2689
01:48:30,259 --> 01:48:28,409
Hollywood will destroy the credibility

2690
01:48:33,049 --> 01:48:30,269
of the investigators involved

2691
01:48:34,910 --> 01:48:33,059
he gives the the taps the Atlantic

2692
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:34,920
Paranormal Society as an example and

2693
01:48:39,979 --> 01:48:37,440
he's wondering Ron what steps of any can

2694
01:48:41,899 --> 01:48:39,989
these groups or individuals take to

2695
01:48:43,939 --> 01:48:41,909
avoid the Hollywood stigma without

2696
01:48:45,529 --> 01:48:43,949
turning away the opportunity to expand

2697
01:48:48,319 --> 01:48:45,539
the very media coverage that they're

2698
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:48,329
hoping to promote well you know it's

2699
01:48:52,910 --> 01:48:49,679
very interesting because it's the

2700
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:52,920
classic illustration of compromising

2701
01:48:59,359 --> 01:48:56,610
your integrity nobody at taps was forced

2702
01:49:01,520 --> 01:48:59,369
to go along with anything that may have

2703
01:49:04,219 --> 01:49:01,530
been conveyed that was less than true

2704
01:49:07,009 --> 01:49:04,229
unless they decided that the money was

2705
01:49:08,899 --> 01:49:07,019
worth it and so if you're gonna go in

2706
01:49:11,029 --> 01:49:08,909
and you're gonna do this work you know

2707
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:11,039
you have to be uncorruptible with the

2708
01:49:15,620 --> 01:49:13,530
way the mainstream machine puts the

2709
01:49:16,699 --> 01:49:15,630
grips on you hey you're making 5 10

2710
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:16,709
grand an episode

2711
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:18,570
ratings are slipping a little we got to

2712
01:49:21,859 --> 01:49:20,130
kick it up a notch the producers are

2713
01:49:24,799 --> 01:49:21,869
going to do some things ok whatever

2714
01:49:28,209 --> 01:49:24,809
whatever the truth of the matter is that

2715
01:49:31,899 --> 01:49:28,219
I don't think there really is a way to

2716
01:49:34,219 --> 01:49:31,909
100% preserve yourself if not implying

2717
01:49:35,810 --> 01:49:34,229
yeah if you're an expert in the field

2718
01:49:37,879 --> 01:49:35,820
and you go on there and the TV show

2719
01:49:39,739 --> 01:49:37,889
decides to make you look foolish there's

2720
01:49:41,479 --> 01:49:39,749
nothing you can do you just have to hope

2721
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:41,489
you reach some people if you find

2722
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:44,010
yourself in a situation like you know

2723
01:49:47,449 --> 01:49:45,690
there's a lot of rumors about taps and a

2724
01:49:50,060 --> 01:49:47,459
lot of their episodes and there's videos

2725
01:49:51,859 --> 01:49:50,070
on on YouTube where supposedly it was a

2726
01:49:53,689 --> 01:49:51,869
ghost and your freeze frame and it's a

2727
01:49:55,850 --> 01:49:53,699
guy in a sheet with tennis shoes on and

2728
01:49:56,449 --> 01:49:55,860
it's just like you know what's going on

2729
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:56,459
with that

2730
01:49:59,000 --> 01:49:57,360
so it's really

2731
01:50:00,680 --> 01:49:59,010
up to the individual people I know that

2732
01:50:02,690 --> 01:50:00,690
you know I would rather take the show

2733
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:02,700
that we're getting ready to do and make

2734
01:50:07,940 --> 01:50:05,730
it a web only show and do it the way we

2735
01:50:09,590 --> 01:50:07,950
want to do it then get into a position

2736
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:09,600
where we have to compromise something

2737
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:13,050
right and so ultimately and that's why

2738
01:50:17,210 --> 01:50:14,490
the net neutrality thing is so cool

2739
01:50:18,830 --> 01:50:17,220
ultimately independent producers making

2740
01:50:21,140 --> 01:50:18,840
the content they want to make and

2741
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:21,150
distributing it across the internet to

2742
01:50:25,940 --> 01:50:23,250
the people who want to see that content

2743
01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:25,950
it's it's the way of the future and so

2744
01:50:29,450 --> 01:50:27,570
that's really the only way you can do it

2745
01:50:31,780 --> 01:50:29,460
and then you have to monetize it that's

2746
01:50:35,090 --> 01:50:31,790
a whole different story but the

2747
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:35,100
democracy of media is getting better and

2748
01:50:40,250 --> 01:50:37,920
better and the ways to sidestep the

2749
01:50:42,290 --> 01:50:40,260
mainstream media machine it's the

2750
01:50:43,970 --> 01:50:42,300
machine is dying and it's almost like

2751
01:50:47,180 --> 01:50:43,980
why bother at this point

2752
01:50:50,090 --> 01:50:47,190
sure Network can reach 20 million people

2753
01:50:52,130 --> 01:50:50,100
30 million people in at night and they

2754
01:50:54,230 --> 01:50:52,140
still have this broad reach which is

2755
01:50:57,260 --> 01:50:54,240
appealing to advertisers but at the end

2756
01:50:59,330 --> 01:50:57,270
of the day if you were really aficionado

2757
01:51:01,550 --> 01:50:59,340
of delivering hardcore honest

2758
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:01,560
information you don't want to do a

2759
01:51:05,660 --> 01:51:04,080
weekly show you don't want to be in that

2760
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:05,670
you want to do something on the web and

2761
01:51:08,660 --> 01:51:07,440
you got a hope you know just like you

2762
01:51:10,370 --> 01:51:08,670
guys are para cast are hoping that

2763
01:51:12,380 --> 01:51:10,380
enough people will subscribe so you can

2764
01:51:14,390 --> 01:51:12,390
keep making this show the people out

2765
01:51:16,430 --> 01:51:14,400
there have to understand if you don't

2766
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:16,440
want BS that's supported by

2767
01:51:20,210 --> 01:51:19,170
jack-in-the-box and Monsanto delivered

2768
01:51:22,670 --> 01:51:20,220
to your living room and then you

2769
01:51:25,580 --> 01:51:22,680
complain about well why is it not you

2770
01:51:27,860 --> 01:51:25,590
know high integrity hardcore paranormal

2771
01:51:29,090 --> 01:51:27,870
stuff then you got to be part of the

2772
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:29,100
solution and the way you're part of the

2773
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:32,130
solution is you support in some way the

2774
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:33,600
people that are trying to give you this

2775
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:35,610
unfiltered information and if you don't

2776
01:51:38,060 --> 01:51:37,410
then you know you don't have anything to

2777
01:51:41,630 --> 01:51:38,070
complain about

2778
01:51:43,340 --> 01:51:41,640
yeah nobody to blame but yourself and

2779
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:43,350
you know I think that there's you know

2780
01:51:48,200 --> 01:51:46,530
Ron I've always applauded your since

2781
01:51:51,260 --> 01:51:48,210
you've moved out to LA to get involved

2782
01:51:53,780 --> 01:51:51,270
in what could be the term the conscious

2783
01:51:56,710 --> 01:51:53,790
media movement which is actually looking

2784
01:51:59,750 --> 01:51:56,720
at these questions of integrity of

2785
01:52:02,480 --> 01:51:59,760
actually presenting information

2786
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:02,490
accurately and you know in a form that's

2787
01:52:06,290 --> 01:52:05,040
educational and doesn't compromise on

2788
01:52:08,540 --> 01:52:06,300
truth

2789
01:52:12,440 --> 01:52:08,550
I think this whole idea of conscious

2790
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:12,450
media ratcheting down maybe of several

2791
01:52:19,820 --> 01:52:16,770
dozen murders in your TV show or you

2792
01:52:23,150 --> 01:52:19,830
know try to come up with you know just

2793
01:52:27,070 --> 01:52:23,160
something that has has some redeeming

2794
01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:27,080
qualities I mean there's such just utter

2795
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:29,760
crap that's on TV

2796
01:52:35,780 --> 01:52:32,730
I haven't had broadcast television for

2797
01:52:38,060 --> 01:52:35,790
eight years almost and even for good

2798
01:52:41,150 --> 01:52:38,070
reason III really think that this is an

2799
01:52:44,570 --> 01:52:41,160
important issue I think our kids are

2800
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:44,580
just being slam-dunked with violence and

2801
01:52:51,530 --> 01:52:47,520
you know they're becoming desensitized

2802
01:52:53,630 --> 01:52:51,540
to to the human condition and that's not

2803
01:52:56,420 --> 01:52:53,640
right and we we definitely have to get

2804
01:52:58,280 --> 01:52:56,430
get our heads around that you know

2805
01:53:00,290 --> 01:52:58,290
what's interesting and and I'll actually

2806
01:53:02,750 --> 01:53:00,300
come to the defense of Hollywood in the

2807
01:53:05,480 --> 01:53:02,760
end this if you go on YouTube and you

2808
01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:05,490
just Google Ron James Tom Shadyac you

2809
01:53:10,910 --> 01:53:07,920
know tom was the director for the Ace

2810
01:53:13,370 --> 01:53:10,920
Ventura movies and a lot of the other

2811
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:13,380
movies that Jim Carrey did big guy you

2812
01:53:16,430 --> 01:53:14,730
know he's flying around in Lear Jets

2813
01:53:19,850 --> 01:53:16,440
then he ended up making this film called

2814
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:19,860
I am III asked Tom Shadyac this because

2815
01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:22,650
I personally believe that media has a

2816
01:53:27,170 --> 01:53:25,170
social obligation because of its power

2817
01:53:30,050 --> 01:53:27,180
and its reach to facilitate positive

2818
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:30,060
change for humanity and so I have I am

2819
01:53:33,410 --> 01:53:31,650
on the record of putting this question

2820
01:53:34,850 --> 01:53:33,420
to executives at Sony I mean I've got a

2821
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:34,860
lot of video interviews where I've asked

2822
01:53:38,330 --> 01:53:36,810
these people and so you can find the one

2823
01:53:41,180 --> 01:53:38,340
with me and Tom and he sums it up quite

2824
01:53:43,250 --> 01:53:41,190
well when enough people want it they

2825
01:53:44,750 --> 01:53:43,260
will deliver it the problem is right now

2826
01:53:47,390 --> 01:53:44,760
that if you give somebody a choice

2827
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:47,400
between watching a woman have a

2828
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:49,170
spiritual experience or watching a woman

2829
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:51,360
get beat over the head by a robber

2830
01:53:56,090 --> 01:53:53,370
people are going to gravitate towards

2831
01:53:57,710 --> 01:53:56,100
the latter and so until people start

2832
01:53:59,480 --> 01:53:57,720
saying hey we don't want the violence we

2833
01:54:01,190 --> 01:53:59,490
don't want this we want television to be

2834
01:54:03,770 --> 01:54:01,200
enriching they're not going to deliver

2835
01:54:05,150 --> 01:54:03,780
it but it's a very responsive crowd and

2836
01:54:08,120 --> 01:54:05,160
they're all about money and if enough

2837
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:08,130
people say we'd rather watch a piece of

2838
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:10,010
media that helps us spiritually evolve

2839
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:12,690
than watch a piece of media that shows

2840
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:14,370
us you know what serial killers are

2841
01:54:19,130 --> 01:54:16,170
thinking Hollywood's going to be making

2842
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:19,140
that media so fast nobody will know that

2843
01:54:21,560 --> 01:54:20,010
it came

2844
01:54:23,839 --> 01:54:21,570
certainly hope that we're going to also

2845
01:54:25,850 --> 01:54:23,849
convince the media not to show people

2846
01:54:27,620 --> 01:54:25,860
being burned alive by terrorists but

2847
01:54:29,089 --> 01:54:27,630
that's another story I want to move on

2848
01:54:31,310 --> 01:54:29,099
here because we only have a few segments

2849
01:54:33,529 --> 01:54:31,320
left more listen to questions and we're

2850
01:54:35,859 --> 01:54:33,539
talking points to get to and now I want

2851
01:54:38,330 --> 01:54:35,869
to ask you what do you mean by quantum

2852
01:54:40,669 --> 01:54:38,340
paranormal inquiring minds want to know

2853
01:54:42,379 --> 01:54:40,679
well you know I've done all of the

2854
01:54:44,180 --> 01:54:42,389
paranormal fields in my work as a

2855
01:54:46,370 --> 01:54:44,190
filmmaker been in a lot of interesting

2856
01:54:48,859 --> 01:54:46,380
situations I've never really had like

2857
01:54:50,479 --> 01:54:48,869
this definitive experience I've had some

2858
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:50,489
really wild stuff happening ghostly

2859
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:52,530
phenomenon but you know I've never been

2860
01:54:56,899 --> 01:54:54,570
abducted by a UFO I've never even seen a

2861
01:54:59,540 --> 01:54:56,909
UFO but I'm still fascinated by these

2862
01:55:02,029 --> 01:54:59,550
topics and as a filmmaker I try to keep

2863
01:55:04,700 --> 01:55:02,039
a journalistic attitude so I'm not

2864
01:55:07,189 --> 01:55:04,710
really out there forwarding ideas that

2865
01:55:09,140 --> 01:55:07,199
are too far out I'll present the

2866
01:55:11,779 --> 01:55:09,150
information but my own personal opinions

2867
01:55:13,669 --> 01:55:11,789
are a lot more conservative with my

2868
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:13,679
experience I feel like like I can have

2869
01:55:18,319 --> 01:55:16,050
those opinions and and I do and when I

2870
01:55:20,330 --> 01:55:18,329
say the quantum paranormal my show

2871
01:55:22,959 --> 01:55:20,340
bigger questions and the direction that

2872
01:55:25,160 --> 01:55:22,969
I'm actually taking my work is in

2873
01:55:27,770 --> 01:55:25,170
realizing and understanding and bringing

2874
01:55:29,930 --> 01:55:27,780
to the forefront that we're in a day and

2875
01:55:33,049 --> 01:55:29,940
age with the advancement of science that

2876
01:55:35,569 --> 01:55:33,059
we may be looking at solid scientific

2877
01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:35,579
theories that actually prove the

2878
01:55:41,089 --> 01:55:37,650
existence of these phenomenon in a way

2879
01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:41,099
that the science and practitioners can

2880
01:55:45,020 --> 01:55:43,440
reconcile so you know just for instance

2881
01:55:46,120 --> 01:55:45,030
life after death which is one of my

2882
01:55:48,709 --> 01:55:46,130
favorite topics

2883
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:48,719
traditionally neuroscientists would tell

2884
01:55:52,009 --> 01:55:50,880
you that consciousness resides in the

2885
01:55:53,029 --> 01:55:52,019
brain and that when the brain dies

2886
01:55:56,649 --> 01:55:53,039
that's it

2887
01:55:59,299 --> 01:55:56,659
now lately even in medical schools

2888
01:56:01,549 --> 01:55:59,309
neuroscientists are being taught that

2889
01:56:03,500 --> 01:56:01,559
the possibility that the universe is

2890
01:56:05,870 --> 01:56:03,510
holographic and that consciousness can

2891
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:05,880
actually transfer out of the brain into

2892
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:07,920
the collective ether the dark matter the

2893
01:56:13,189 --> 01:56:10,170
the collective consciousness whatever

2894
01:56:15,439 --> 01:56:13,199
you want to call it is a cloud theory so

2895
01:56:16,879 --> 01:56:15,449
what that's saying is that hey we say

2896
01:56:19,310 --> 01:56:16,889
there's life after death but could we

2897
01:56:21,379 --> 01:56:19,320
prove it well now we're coming to a day

2898
01:56:23,839 --> 01:56:21,389
and age where yes maybe we can prove it

2899
01:56:25,459 --> 01:56:23,849
maybe as we discover that we have a

2900
01:56:27,169 --> 01:56:25,469
holographic universe we prove it

2901
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:27,179
scientifically we discover that the

2902
01:56:31,879 --> 01:56:29,130
transference of consciousness from the

2903
01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:31,889
brain into another state

2904
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:33,370
ethereal being

2905
01:56:38,190 --> 01:56:35,650
is something that is actually easy to

2906
01:56:40,500 --> 01:56:38,200
quantify scientifically so the quantum

2907
01:56:43,470 --> 01:56:40,510
paranormal to me is the fusion of

2908
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:43,480
science and paranormal activity and as

2909
01:56:48,630 --> 01:56:46,000
you look at every paranormal phenomenon

2910
01:56:50,430 --> 01:56:48,640
and you butt it up against some of the

2911
01:56:52,710 --> 01:56:50,440
latest scientific theories on how the

2912
01:56:54,770 --> 01:56:52,720
universe works and how reality works you

2913
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:54,780
find some really interesting

2914
01:56:58,950 --> 01:56:57,040
correlations so you know you talk about

2915
01:57:00,810 --> 01:56:58,960
electronic voice phenomena as they're

2916
01:57:03,390 --> 01:57:00,820
discovering different dimensional

2917
01:57:06,300 --> 01:57:03,400
theories about how different dimensions

2918
01:57:09,390 --> 01:57:06,310
interact how there can be areas where

2919
01:57:11,880 --> 01:57:09,400
dimensional doorways exist this is all

2920
01:57:14,250 --> 01:57:11,890
being postulated scientifically so let's

2921
01:57:16,290 --> 01:57:14,260
say you know well maybe a electronic

2922
01:57:17,940 --> 01:57:16,300
voice phenomenon isn't so much a ghost

2923
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:17,950
maybe it's just bleed over from

2924
01:57:21,540 --> 01:57:19,690
something else or maybe it's just like

2925
01:57:23,910 --> 01:57:21,550
when you turn a channel on a radio you

2926
01:57:24,930 --> 01:57:23,920
hear this song on one frequency you turn

2927
01:57:27,060 --> 01:57:24,940
it just a little bit more in that

2928
01:57:28,650 --> 01:57:27,070
frequencies gone the left end is right

2929
01:57:30,540 --> 01:57:28,660
here and let's go into the next segment

2930
01:57:37,140 --> 01:57:30,550
we have Ron James with Gene and Chris

2931
01:57:40,260 --> 01:57:37,150
you're in the parrot test neighbors are

2932
01:57:43,310 --> 01:57:40,270
you tired of dealing with a slow web

2933
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so are we talking Ron James then about

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multiple realities when you change the

3031
02:02:10,620 --> 02:02:08,349
channel you go from reality B to reality

3032
02:02:12,689 --> 02:02:10,630
a and vice-versa is that what we're

3033
02:02:14,489 --> 02:02:12,699
talking about here well you know it's so

3034
02:02:16,529 --> 02:02:14,499
big that that's you know certainly that

3035
02:02:18,569 --> 02:02:16,539
doesn't sum it up but when we look at

3036
02:02:20,220 --> 02:02:18,579
the theory this science says that

3037
02:02:22,169 --> 02:02:20,230
whenever a possibility exists it

3038
02:02:26,339 --> 02:02:22,179
splinters off into a new reality then we

3039
02:02:28,049 --> 02:02:26,349
look at this giant conglomeration of

3040
02:02:29,930 --> 02:02:28,059
different realities all coexisting

3041
02:02:31,739 --> 02:02:29,940
bouncing up against each other

3042
02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:31,749
interfering with each other on some

3043
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:34,050
level like we've shown with photons and

3044
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:36,010
quantum interference and we've shown

3045
02:02:40,049 --> 02:02:37,570
with some of the new scientific

3046
02:02:43,439 --> 02:02:40,059
discoveries like quantum photosynthesis

3047
02:02:45,750 --> 02:02:43,449
how reality is in dimensions intertwine

3048
02:02:47,399 --> 02:02:45,760
I can't go into quantum photosynthesis

3049
02:02:49,859 --> 02:02:47,409
right now but anybody who wants to

3050
02:02:51,779 --> 02:02:49,869
google it will find that what's been

3051
02:02:54,149 --> 02:02:51,789
discovered happening in plants is

3052
02:02:57,359 --> 02:02:54,159
absolutely mind-blowing breakthrough in

3053
02:03:00,209 --> 02:02:57,369
how reality actually doesn't have to

3054
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:00,219
function all the time in work it's one

3055
02:03:03,270 --> 02:03:01,570
of the reasons that I think the theory

3056
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:03,280
of everything hasn't been discovered is

3057
02:03:06,629 --> 02:03:04,690
because what they're finding out with

3058
02:03:08,339 --> 02:03:06,639
the way different dimensions and

3059
02:03:10,020 --> 02:03:08,349
different things interact is that when

3060
02:03:12,299 --> 02:03:10,030
reality can't function under the laws of

3061
02:03:14,729 --> 02:03:12,309
physics there's a mechanism to allow it

3062
02:03:16,109 --> 02:03:14,739
to cheat which is why you can't

3063
02:03:18,540 --> 02:03:16,119
mathematically prove it because you

3064
02:03:20,729 --> 02:03:18,550
can't mathematically define a variable

3065
02:03:22,290 --> 02:03:20,739
such as that when we look at quantum

3066
02:03:24,209 --> 02:03:22,300
theory and what's happening with our

3067
02:03:25,919 --> 02:03:24,219
perception of reality our perception of

3068
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:25,929
consciousness our perception of our

3069
02:03:29,549 --> 02:03:28,090
world and we look at paranormal

3070
02:03:31,290 --> 02:03:29,559
phenomenon there's going to be a

3071
02:03:33,750 --> 02:03:31,300
marriage here and so that's what I'm

3072
02:03:37,439 --> 02:03:33,760
exploring in my latest work and in my TV

3073
02:03:39,330 --> 02:03:37,449
show is what is really going on and how

3074
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:39,340
can we reconcile it because scientists

3075
02:03:42,779 --> 02:03:41,050
then the life after death thing is a

3076
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:42,789
great example scientists are actually

3077
02:03:46,290 --> 02:03:45,130
willing to look at this stuff and if it

3078
02:03:48,390 --> 02:03:46,300
can make sense they're willing to

3079
02:03:50,399 --> 02:03:48,400
support it and so when we start looking

3080
02:03:52,589 --> 02:03:50,409
at you know NASA is developing a warp

3081
02:03:55,410 --> 02:03:52,599
drive so now of a sudden the question is

3082
02:03:57,239 --> 02:03:55,420
can we warp space science is saying yes

3083
02:03:58,620 --> 02:03:57,249
we can so all the people who say well it

3084
02:04:01,049 --> 02:03:58,630
can't be aliens are too far away

3085
02:04:03,029 --> 02:04:01,059
well now science is saying well hold on

3086
02:04:05,189 --> 02:04:03,039
a second maybe there is a way for them

3087
02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:05,199
to get here again it's the it's the

3088
02:04:10,259 --> 02:04:07,679
quantum paranormal it's science marrying

3089
02:04:11,680 --> 02:04:10,269
phenomenon that up until now have been

3090
02:04:14,650 --> 02:04:11,690
considered out of the question

3091
02:04:16,780 --> 02:04:14,660
and there's dozens of examples of this

3092
02:04:18,130 --> 02:04:16,790
and so that's you know that's kind of

3093
02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:18,140
the direction I'm taking now with what

3094
02:04:22,180 --> 02:04:19,280
I'm doing because it's it's just

3095
02:04:24,459 --> 02:04:22,190
fascinating to watch scientific

3096
02:04:26,790 --> 02:04:24,469
possibility and paranormal phenomenon

3097
02:04:29,320 --> 02:04:26,800
two things were once completely

3098
02:04:31,330 --> 02:04:29,330
separated kind of starting to come

3099
02:04:34,120 --> 02:04:31,340
together and looking at that day when

3100
02:04:36,189 --> 02:04:34,130
the paranormal is normal after all so

3101
02:04:38,590 --> 02:04:36,199
you almost think when I hear you that

3102
02:04:41,500 --> 02:04:38,600
we're talking about a reality that's not

3103
02:04:44,229 --> 02:04:41,510
consistent as our perceptions or beliefs

3104
02:04:46,840 --> 02:04:44,239
in that reality expand the reality

3105
02:04:49,090 --> 02:04:46,850
itself expands to accommodate what we

3106
02:04:50,830 --> 02:04:49,100
expect what we can do well you know I

3107
02:04:52,420 --> 02:04:50,840
think that with the evolution of the

3108
02:04:53,860 --> 02:04:52,430
mind I've always been one of those

3109
02:04:55,300 --> 02:04:53,870
people who absolutely thinks we were

3110
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:55,310
living in some kind of a matrix

3111
02:04:59,050 --> 02:04:57,440
David glitch the nature of reality he's

3112
02:05:02,050 --> 02:04:59,060
a scientist working on the quantum

3113
02:05:03,939 --> 02:05:02,060
computer at Oxford talks about how you

3114
02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:03,949
know our reality really does function

3115
02:05:08,290 --> 02:05:06,050
like a simulation rather you you buy the

3116
02:05:11,050 --> 02:05:08,300
whole matrix thing or not we all know

3117
02:05:12,670 --> 02:05:11,060
it's scientific proof that solid objects

3118
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:12,680
aren't really solid they're just atoms

3119
02:05:16,689 --> 02:05:14,330
vibrating at a certain frequency to

3120
02:05:20,380 --> 02:05:16,699
create an illusion of solidity so yeah

3121
02:05:23,229 --> 02:05:20,390
as our understanding of reality expands

3122
02:05:25,810 --> 02:05:23,239
our mind capability expands our

3123
02:05:27,970 --> 02:05:25,820
intelligence expands it all changes and

3124
02:05:30,189 --> 02:05:27,980
I think that reality is a very fluid

3125
02:05:31,300 --> 02:05:30,199
thing and so it's just really

3126
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:31,310
interesting to see how it's all

3127
02:05:34,689 --> 02:05:33,530
unfolding and when you're out there on

3128
02:05:36,760 --> 02:05:34,699
the edge of this stuff and you're

3129
02:05:38,140 --> 02:05:36,770
looking at how do we reconcile at all

3130
02:05:40,510 --> 02:05:38,150
because at the end of the day it has to

3131
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:40,520
reconcile if electronic voice phenomenon

3132
02:05:44,590 --> 02:05:42,410
is really happening and science is

3133
02:05:45,820 --> 02:05:44,600
saying well it can't be happening well

3134
02:05:48,450 --> 02:05:45,830
that's not acceptable

3135
02:05:50,939 --> 02:05:48,460
there has to be a reconcile

3136
02:05:53,380 --> 02:05:50,949
reconciliation where science says okay

3137
02:05:56,020 --> 02:05:53,390
electronic voice phenomenon is happening

3138
02:05:59,860 --> 02:05:56,030
and maybe this is how and so we can't

3139
02:06:03,130 --> 02:05:59,870
continue with these conflicting facts

3140
02:06:05,020 --> 02:06:03,140
because there is definitely phenomenon

3141
02:06:06,790 --> 02:06:05,030
happening with relationship to things we

3142
02:06:09,340 --> 02:06:06,800
don't understand happening in the sky

3143
02:06:11,439 --> 02:06:09,350
there's things happening with the

3144
02:06:13,209 --> 02:06:11,449
abduction phenomenon that we don't

3145
02:06:15,550 --> 02:06:13,219
understand but we can't keep denying it

3146
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:15,560
but if we're going to acknowledge it

3147
02:06:20,140 --> 02:06:17,690
then we have to have a mechanism for it

3148
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:20,150
to prove scientifically valid and I

3149
02:06:24,410 --> 02:06:22,010
honestly think that's what's happening

3150
02:06:26,300 --> 02:06:24,420
right now we're in this time where so I

3151
02:06:29,300 --> 02:06:26,310
is starting to say well wait a minute

3152
02:06:30,709 --> 02:06:29,310
maybe this is possible and here's how so

3153
02:06:31,850 --> 02:06:30,719
that's what the quantum paranormal is

3154
02:06:33,470 --> 02:06:31,860
and that's the direction that you're

3155
02:06:35,540 --> 02:06:33,480
gonna be seeing a lot of my work and

3156
02:06:38,240 --> 02:06:35,550
definitely my TV show bigger questions

3157
02:06:40,010 --> 02:06:38,250
is going in it's pretty heavy stuff you

3158
02:06:42,290 --> 02:06:40,020
know again I've watched your process now

3159
02:06:43,700 --> 02:06:42,300
for ten years and you know I'm really

3160
02:06:46,459 --> 02:06:43,710
enjoying the direction that your work is

3161
02:06:50,380 --> 02:06:46,469
headed and I you know support it you

3162
02:06:53,479 --> 02:06:50,390
know in every way I can one thing that I

3163
02:06:56,419 --> 02:06:53,489
particularly kind of miss about the

3164
02:06:58,910 --> 02:06:56,429
seriousness of of the subject matter and

3165
02:07:00,890 --> 02:06:58,920
in the amount of gravitas that you know

3166
02:07:03,110 --> 02:07:00,900
really deservedly so she'll be brought

3167
02:07:05,689 --> 02:07:03,120
to it there's a question here that kind

3168
02:07:07,970 --> 02:07:05,699
of looks at that and so it turns it

3169
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:07,980
upside down a little bit and this comes

3170
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:10,890
from one of our active participants at

3171
02:07:17,209 --> 02:07:13,290
forum dr. Perik cast calm dissection

3172
02:07:19,220 --> 02:07:17,219
stalker and he's wondering why shows

3173
02:07:21,919 --> 02:07:19,230
don't throw in some comedy or some

3174
02:07:24,439 --> 02:07:21,929
light-hearted aspects because people

3175
02:07:26,330 --> 02:07:24,449
look for the humor in both both skeptics

3176
02:07:29,510 --> 02:07:26,340
and believers are gonna want to look at

3177
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:29,520
humor at some point the wisecracker type

3178
02:07:34,250 --> 02:07:32,400
Stephen Colbert or Jon Stewart you know

3179
02:07:36,169 --> 02:07:34,260
that they they have kind of off-kilter

3180
02:07:38,510 --> 02:07:36,179
opinions and they crack jokes what why

3181
02:07:40,300 --> 02:07:38,520
don't we see see more of that in the

3182
02:07:43,939 --> 02:07:40,310
parent coverage of the paranormal

3183
02:07:46,070 --> 02:07:43,949
obviously you can't be taken seriously

3184
02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:46,080
if you're cracking jokes all the time

3185
02:07:51,080 --> 02:07:49,050
but but is there a place for humor and

3186
02:07:52,790 --> 02:07:51,090
lightheartedness in the coverage of

3187
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:52,800
these topics by the media what do you

3188
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:54,570
think well I think that there's a fine

3189
02:07:58,280 --> 02:07:56,400
line between humor and lightheartedness

3190
02:08:00,590 --> 02:07:58,290
and ridicule and I think that when you

3191
02:08:02,540 --> 02:08:00,600
realize that line exists and there's a

3192
02:08:03,650 --> 02:08:02,550
lot of humor already but you know it's

3193
02:08:05,209 --> 02:08:03,660
interesting that you mentioned that

3194
02:08:07,070 --> 02:08:05,219
because you know when we did the

3195
02:08:09,020 --> 02:08:07,080
investigations for the Haunted Southwest

3196
02:08:11,450 --> 02:08:09,030
movie which we haven't released yet with

3197
02:08:13,580 --> 02:08:11,460
a be April Allen and Mike Esposito and

3198
02:08:16,939 --> 02:08:13,590
you and I you know I was cracking jokes

3199
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all the time and I kind of think that I

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want to bring that element of humor to

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the show that we're about to do because

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I'm a funny guy and and I'd like to make

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people laugh and I and in the media that

3204
02:08:32,419 --> 02:08:29,969
I put out I don't it's not really there

3205
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and so I've asked myself often it's like

3206
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how come you can't be that guy that

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cracks the joke and makes a whole room

3208
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laugh in your stuff

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and so we're certainly gonna do that

3210
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it's gonna be kind of cool so yeah

3211
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that's coming for sure yeah but in the

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paranormal that was kind of like the

3213
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stock-in-trade of the late Jim Mosley in

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gray Barker they tried to insert humor

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in the way they did their hoaxes are

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just in the way they treated content

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sometimes but sometimes people just take

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that too seriously you know the other

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thing is like you know I really love

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sci-fi and I I think that when you have

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good science fiction there's there's no

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place for humor and good science fiction

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and that's just I don't that's my own

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personal opinion but like you know when

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you look at some of these shows that try

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to plug humor into science fiction it

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just ruins it I like my science fiction

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dark and gloomy and there's a alien

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somewhere and it's you know and and it's

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it's serious there's a serious nature of

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exploring the future and so you know

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when you're jumping in a telephone

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booths cracking jokes and disappearing

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it's always been a little bit of a

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disappointment for me I've never

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gravitated towards those kind of shows

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but then again we have a guy here who is

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a you know a stalker dismembered dude

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and so I don't want to make him mad

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because he might show up at my house so

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yeah humor coming whatever you want

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we'll do it I have you want humor in

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science fiction there's always a movie

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Galaxy Quest Leah the Star Trek's end up

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that actually became kind of a cult

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sci-fi and Spaceballs was another one

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yeah well I had a chance once to talk to

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Tim Allen at length about the movie and

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he was really pretty bright guy a lot

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more than when you expect some of these

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dumb comedies he's still on TV and

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his work as a producer and of course we

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now I'm just going to segue to a totally

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different subject about your work you

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sir Ron James are a book author now I

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know I've done that in the past and I

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haven't done it in a while Chris

3379
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continues to do it I know it's a disease

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that some people never recover from tell

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us more about the book well you know I

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used to write a lot of fiction I

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probably published maybe about 30

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magazine articles is nonfiction so I

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have a little bit of a background as a

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writer and then I when I was younger I

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got into writing horror and I was just

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totally into it and people would ask me

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well how come you're writing horror and

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I used to have this little joke I'd say

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cuz I want to scare you as much as you

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scare me I got very well known in the

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war field now this is the chairman of

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publicity for the Horror Writers

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Association at one time and but one of

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my works was suggested for a Bram Stoker

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award so I was moving in that field but

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then I decided that I didn't really want

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to write horror anymore and I started

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looking around the world all of these

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things that I work on in my work the

3402
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paranormal the UFOs the you know I've

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done a video with David Icke and so I'm

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kind of up on all the you know the

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Illuminati conspiracy theory stuff and

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the evolution of human consciousness

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because I've done a lot of work in

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metaphysical and I'm like well what can

3409
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I do that just encompasses all of that

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so I wrote a book called Messiah

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awakenings

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and it is a fiction book the premise of

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the book is that the Illuminati the New

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World Order or whatever you want to call

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them the book is set in the near future

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society is coming apart at the seams

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you know we're closer to war there's

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plagues there's epidemics there's

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earthquakes there's all kinds of things

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happening around the world that seem to

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to mark the arrival of the prophecies of

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Armageddon and revelation only we find

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out very early on in the book that none

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of this stuff is really happening it's

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all being created using technology and

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deception by an elite group of people

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of humanity so in other words the

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the Antichrist they pull a terrorist out

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of the Middle East and install him in

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power in Iraq and he begins to perform

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miracles like phases in the clouds and

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the the face of God and the voice of God

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it's all being done by technology these

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Messiah awakenings if you have Kindle

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Prime you could read it for free so yeah

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I just took all of the the stuff that

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02:18:58,880 --> 02:18:56,820
I've learned and could come to

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02:19:00,260 --> 02:18:58,890
understand and I put it together into a

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02:19:01,580 --> 02:19:00,270
fiction book starring some of the

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02:19:03,590 --> 02:19:01,590
biggest characters to ever walk the

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02:19:04,969 --> 02:19:03,600
earth so it's a heck of a read the

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people that are that are we

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viewing its have commented about the

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quality of the prose and it's a amazing

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02:19:13,459 --> 02:19:11,369
story so I invite everybody to check it

3473
02:19:15,229 --> 02:19:13,469
out do you plan on a printed version of

3474
02:19:17,779 --> 02:19:15,239
this book yeah I'm gonna put out the

3475
02:19:19,099 --> 02:19:17,789
printed version on Easter I released

3476
02:19:21,429 --> 02:19:19,109
this one on Christmas Eve I actually

3477
02:19:24,620 --> 02:19:21,439
spent 16 years writing this book I

3478
02:19:27,919 --> 02:19:24,630
started it on Christmas Eve 16 years ago

3479
02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:27,929
and I had now sleep whatever he must be

3480
02:19:32,209 --> 02:19:30,719
very tired 16 years without sleep well

3481
02:19:34,700 --> 02:19:32,219
you know I put the book down because I

3482
02:19:36,559 --> 02:19:34,710
didn't feel that I was spiritually in a

3483
02:19:38,509 --> 02:19:36,569
position where I owned had enough

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02:19:41,239 --> 02:19:38,519
understanding to write the character of

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02:19:42,950 --> 02:19:41,249
a resurrected Christ and so you know

3486
02:19:44,540 --> 02:19:42,960
that journey took me on an odyssey all

3487
02:19:46,040 --> 02:19:44,550
over the place it spent time in Sedona

3488
02:19:47,899 --> 02:19:46,050
studying all kinds of spiritual

3489
02:19:50,179 --> 02:19:47,909
modalities and trying to get a better

3490
02:19:51,590 --> 02:19:50,189
grip on what's going on here so that

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02:19:53,479 --> 02:19:51,600
when this guy wakes up out of his coma

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02:19:55,189 --> 02:19:53,489
and starts to talk this stuff will

3493
02:19:56,870 --> 02:19:55,199
resonate so I've put some really

3494
02:19:59,149 --> 02:19:56,880
cutting-edge spiritual knowledge into

3495
02:20:01,519 --> 02:19:59,159
this there's cutting-edge truth about

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02:20:03,500 --> 02:20:01,529
what these global elite Illuminati types

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02:20:05,899 --> 02:20:03,510
are actually trying to accomplish and

3498
02:20:07,519 --> 02:20:05,909
you know what the alien hand may be or

3499
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:07,529
may not be or maybe they're not even

3500
02:20:12,050 --> 02:20:10,170
aliens at all and it's all just put

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02:20:14,269 --> 02:20:12,060
together into this story that just rocks

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02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:14,279
from page one well I'm going to want to

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02:20:18,200 --> 02:20:15,930
read the PDF version I know I was

3504
02:20:20,300 --> 02:20:18,210
supposed to do that around Christmas and

3505
02:20:22,760 --> 02:20:20,310
I fell down on the job but I promised

3506
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:22,770
Ron James I will read it I will review

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02:20:27,620 --> 02:20:24,479
it I will give you my honest opinion

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02:20:29,450 --> 02:20:27,630
fair awesome yep it's Messiah awakenings

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02:20:31,700 --> 02:20:29,460
by Ron James available on Kindle

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02:20:33,410 --> 02:20:31,710
sorry shameless plug I'll have to get

3511
02:20:35,689 --> 02:20:33,420
you to put it in iBooks too but then

3512
02:20:37,340 --> 02:20:35,699
Kindle owns the market yeah the iBook

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02:20:39,109 --> 02:20:37,350
version is coming I did that Kindle

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exclusive deal for three months so

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that's the only place you can get it for

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02:20:44,660 --> 02:20:42,810
90 days and then I'll pay then I'll put

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02:20:47,029 --> 02:20:44,670
it out some other places Chris we have

3518
02:20:49,790 --> 02:20:47,039
some more questions of Ron asking about

3519
02:20:51,889 --> 02:20:49,800
your video library dissection stalker

3520
02:20:54,500 --> 02:20:51,899
again hopefully doesn't show up at your

3521
02:20:58,960 --> 02:20:54,510
door complaining but especially with

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02:21:01,219 --> 02:20:58,970
that name not a problem

3523
02:21:03,380 --> 02:21:01,229
well he's wondering if you can get your

3524
02:21:04,939 --> 02:21:03,390
programming on Amazon Prime or Netflix

3525
02:21:08,689 --> 02:21:04,949
so he doesn't have to know stream it to

3526
02:21:11,239 --> 02:21:08,699
watch it yeah it is available some of

3527
02:21:13,489 --> 02:21:11,249
it's available on Amazon video on-demand

3528
02:21:15,469 --> 02:21:13,499
yeah it's like snow you know Netflix to

3529
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:15,479
me is like every time somebody comes to

3530
02:21:18,801 --> 02:21:17,130
me and says I got my video on Netflix

3531
02:21:20,480 --> 02:21:18,811
I'm like wow that's terrible

3532
02:21:21,711 --> 02:21:20,490
that means 10,000 people are gonna watch

3533
02:21:23,690 --> 02:21:21,721
your video and you don't even have

3534
02:21:26,320 --> 02:21:23,700
enough money to pay your rent it's just

3535
02:21:29,031 --> 02:21:26,330
not it's not a good place to be

3536
02:21:30,770 --> 02:21:29,041
doesn't Netflix give you money for this

3537
02:21:31,911 --> 02:21:30,780
they give you a little bit of money but

3538
02:21:34,100 --> 02:21:31,921
they don't give you enough money to make

3539
02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:34,110
your next film with all the money they

3540
02:21:38,241 --> 02:21:35,730
have of course they can give money to

3541
02:21:41,060 --> 02:21:38,251
the producers of house of cards or to

3542
02:21:42,591 --> 02:21:41,070
daredevil or something oh sure yeah but

3543
02:21:45,411 --> 02:21:42,601
for your little independent films they

3544
02:21:47,541 --> 02:21:45,421
they used to pay like 1200 bucks and you

3545
02:21:49,610 --> 02:21:47,551
know put places that there's just not a

3546
02:21:51,440 --> 02:21:49,620
lot of money in it but the truth is is

3547
02:21:53,360 --> 02:21:51,450
that I've setup I've evolved TV it has

3548
02:21:56,421 --> 02:21:53,370
everything and you can subscribe to it

3549
02:21:58,520 --> 02:21:56,431
you can watch it all a cart we will have

3550
02:22:00,581 --> 02:21:58,530
Roku pretty soon and pretty soon we'll

3551
02:22:02,810 --> 02:22:00,591
have apps that will work on Smart TVs

3552
02:22:06,501 --> 02:22:02,820
that's the direction that I'm taking

3553
02:22:08,900 --> 02:22:06,511
evolve television but none of that is in

3554
02:22:10,581 --> 02:22:08,910
place yet but you know go to this go to

3555
02:22:12,350 --> 02:22:10,591
the channel you could watch stuff on you

3556
02:22:14,421 --> 02:22:12,360
can watch my entire library and a lot of

3557
02:22:16,281 --> 02:22:14,431
content from other people that you can't

3558
02:22:19,400 --> 02:22:16,291
find anywhere else and you can watch it

3559
02:22:20,871 --> 02:22:19,410
on any device anywhere even your TV you

3560
02:22:23,150 --> 02:22:20,881
know a book your iPad your television

3561
02:22:24,741 --> 02:22:23,160
and there you go and that that's where

3562
02:22:25,970 --> 02:22:24,751
I'm gonna put it because that's you know

3563
02:22:29,270 --> 02:22:25,980
I don't want to put it anyplace else

3564
02:22:31,551 --> 02:22:29,280
where I can't support myself by making

3565
02:22:34,180 --> 02:22:31,561
the stuff available you know it touches

3566
02:22:36,350 --> 02:22:34,190
on the whole media quandary right now is

3567
02:22:37,970 --> 02:22:36,360
for some reason people seem to think

3568
02:22:40,610 --> 02:22:37,980
that filmmakers should be working for

3569
02:22:42,201 --> 02:22:40,620
free and and that what we do we should

3570
02:22:44,360 --> 02:22:42,211
do it and we should give it to everybody

3571
02:22:46,671 --> 02:22:44,370
and I always tell people it's like would

3572
02:22:49,341 --> 02:22:46,681
you go to your job for free and not get

3573
02:22:51,081 --> 02:22:49,351
paid and people just don't get it you

3574
02:22:53,121 --> 02:22:51,091
either have to watch the commercials on

3575
02:22:55,730 --> 02:22:53,131
the YouTube videos and let the people

3576
02:22:58,610 --> 02:22:55,740
get their money for that you have to pay

3577
02:23:00,110 --> 02:22:58,620
per view or you have to put up with you

3578
02:23:01,310 --> 02:23:00,120
know the mainstream stuff that's full of

3579
02:23:04,400 --> 02:23:01,320
the commercials you don't want to watch

3580
02:23:07,341 --> 02:23:04,410
but somehow or another we need a deal a

3581
02:23:09,650 --> 02:23:07,351
public understanding between independent

3582
02:23:12,081 --> 02:23:09,660
filmmakers and viewers and consumers of

3583
02:23:13,701 --> 02:23:12,091
content that we have to be supported you

3584
02:23:15,921 --> 02:23:13,711
know I've got a whole stack of unedited

3585
02:23:18,201 --> 02:23:15,931
edited material that I can't afford to

3586
02:23:19,850 --> 02:23:18,211
pay an editor to help me finish Chris

3587
02:23:21,320 --> 02:23:19,860
and I have an unreleased film that's

3588
02:23:23,211 --> 02:23:21,330
probably the best we've ever made that

3589
02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:23,221
just needs a few thousand dollars more

3590
02:23:27,411 --> 02:23:25,530
thrown at it to be world-class we can't

3591
02:23:29,751 --> 02:23:27,421
do that when people just expect us to

3592
02:23:31,581 --> 02:23:29,761
give our stuff away so go to I evolved

3593
02:23:32,610 --> 02:23:31,591
TV and pay a dollar ninety-nine and

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02:23:34,470 --> 02:23:32,620
tried

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02:23:37,020 --> 02:23:34,480
to stalk me for that one you know it's

3596
02:23:40,140 --> 02:23:37,030
very interesting to hear how we pay a

3597
02:23:42,511 --> 02:23:40,150
hundred bucks a month or more for cable

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02:23:44,400 --> 02:23:42,521
or satellite TV and we know that money

3599
02:23:47,070 --> 02:23:44,410
is going to networks is going to the

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02:23:49,470 --> 02:23:47,080
cable or satellite provider so it's not

3601
02:23:51,360 --> 02:23:49,480
as if you're getting free content even

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02:23:54,091 --> 02:23:51,370
if you get commercial free content from

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02:23:57,030 --> 02:23:54,101
HBO and Showtime you're paying a premium

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02:23:59,220 --> 02:23:57,040
price to get that free content when you

3605
02:24:02,490 --> 02:23:59,230
get Netflix you're paying a monthly fee

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02:24:03,420 --> 02:24:02,500
to get that so for example if we ask you

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if you don't want to hear the

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commercials to pay for subscribing to

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02:24:10,430 --> 02:24:08,290
the power cast plus at plus stop the

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power cast com it's the same logic

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02:24:15,030 --> 02:24:13,390
someone has to pay us someway we just

3612
02:24:16,890 --> 02:24:15,040
can't do this stuff year after year for

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free the show has been on eight years

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02:24:20,160 --> 02:24:18,730
never missed an episode we've got more

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to come with Ron James and gene and

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Chris you're in the attack of the rock

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AIDS has been well received by critics

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story you'll never forget a former US

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military intelligence officer is haunted

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by intense dreams about a beautiful

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woman pleading for his help after a

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terrible battle in outer space but the

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dreams turn out to be true and thrust

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him into a telepathic love affair with a

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woman whose faraway planet is intent on

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destroying the earth and now the

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gripping tale continues in but coming of

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calm on the web this is Robert Hastings

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offer of UFOs and nukes and you're

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listening to the podcast the gold

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the struggling artist of course we go to

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the movies and we pay out how much is it

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for a movie in 3d now or an IMAX in a

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well the popcorn is sometimes more

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expensive in the movie you know you

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spend one six fifty or 750 for the

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matinee you used to do that with the

3722
02:29:21,870 --> 02:29:19,690
wife we want to get the Early Show

3723
02:29:23,610 --> 02:29:21,880
rather than pay for the evening and all

3724
02:29:25,980 --> 02:29:23,620
the crowds and everything you might get

3725
02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:25,990
a Diet Coke or something it's six

3726
02:29:30,270 --> 02:29:28,570
dollars or popcorn I don't do popcorn

3727
02:29:32,011 --> 02:29:30,280
anymore Ron James well now you know

3728
02:29:34,950 --> 02:29:32,021
prices on popcorn have actually come

3729
02:29:38,190 --> 02:29:34,960
down a little bit since the success of

3730
02:29:40,020 --> 02:29:38,200
the GMO theatrical popcorn manufactured

3731
02:29:41,700 --> 02:29:40,030
by Monsanto it's bigger kernels and they

3732
02:29:44,040 --> 02:29:41,710
pop faster so technically they save

3733
02:29:46,740 --> 02:29:44,050
electricity so your popcorns down by

3734
02:29:48,600 --> 02:29:46,750
about 15 cents oh that's spectacular

3735
02:29:52,921 --> 02:29:48,610
yes of course it'll make you grow purple

3736
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:52,931
nose hairs but they don't know that or

3737
02:29:57,330 --> 02:29:55,050
maybe I'll grow through the chemtrails

3738
02:30:00,211 --> 02:29:57,340
chemtrails funny you should mention

3739
02:30:02,910 --> 02:30:00,221
chemtrails Jean tell me about chemtrails

3740
02:30:05,180 --> 02:30:02,920
well you know oddly enough conscious

3741
02:30:08,160 --> 02:30:05,190
life Expo is coming up this weekend in

3742
02:30:09,900 --> 02:30:08,170
LA and there's going to be live

3743
02:30:12,660 --> 02:30:09,910
streaming so if you go to conscious life

3744
02:30:15,450 --> 02:30:12,670
Expo calm you can sign on to see some of

3745
02:30:18,450 --> 02:30:15,460
these events and some of these panels

3746
02:30:20,640 --> 02:30:18,460
and I have been tapped to moderate the

3747
02:30:21,980 --> 02:30:20,650
geoengineering panel for people that

3748
02:30:25,220 --> 02:30:21,990
don't really know what that is

3749
02:30:28,051 --> 02:30:25,230
geoengineering is the new hip cool

3750
02:30:29,520 --> 02:30:28,061
phrase for chemtrails and all of those

3751
02:30:31,801 --> 02:30:29,530
things because now it's you know

3752
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:31,811
starting to come out that there's

3753
02:30:36,120 --> 02:30:34,090
probably something going on to control

3754
02:30:38,011 --> 02:30:36,130
the climate and everything else and that

3755
02:30:40,110 --> 02:30:38,021
these chemtrails are part of it and so

3756
02:30:41,610 --> 02:30:40,120
where it used to be chemtrails and more

3757
02:30:43,860 --> 02:30:41,620
people with tinfoil hats now it's

3758
02:30:45,570 --> 02:30:43,870
geoengineering and some legit people are

3759
02:30:49,140 --> 02:30:45,580
coming out to talk about what it might

3760
02:30:50,610 --> 02:30:49,150
be what do you think chemtrails are you

3761
02:30:52,890 --> 02:30:50,620
know it's interesting because I've been

3762
02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:52,900
looking at this for a while and I

3763
02:30:57,240 --> 02:30:54,610
believe that they've developed a

3764
02:30:59,430 --> 02:30:57,250
disbursement agent that is capable

3765
02:31:01,890 --> 02:30:59,440
of hosting a variety of different

3766
02:31:03,930 --> 02:31:01,900
elements depending on the application so

3767
02:31:06,150 --> 02:31:03,940
there's a way that they've created for

3768
02:31:08,880 --> 02:31:06,160
the planes to go and fly and put this

3769
02:31:10,470 --> 02:31:08,890
stuff out and first off I don't think we

3770
02:31:12,690 --> 02:31:10,480
can deny chemtrails if you've really

3771
02:31:14,010 --> 02:31:12,700
watched what happens to the sky when

3772
02:31:16,500 --> 02:31:14,020
these things are really being sprayed

3773
02:31:18,900 --> 02:31:16,510
they they come out of the plane they

3774
02:31:21,510 --> 02:31:18,910
linger unlike a contrail would just

3775
02:31:23,370 --> 02:31:21,520
dissipate and then they slowly start to

3776
02:31:25,470 --> 02:31:23,380
spread and pretty soon after about four

3777
02:31:27,930 --> 02:31:25,480
hours of a chemtrail crisscross pattern

3778
02:31:29,550 --> 02:31:27,940
and really what kind of jet traffic

3779
02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:29,560
flies crisscross patterns in your major

3780
02:31:35,070 --> 02:31:32,650
airports you know so it's all pretty

3781
02:31:36,750 --> 02:31:35,080
obvious then it turns into a haze and

3782
02:31:39,420 --> 02:31:36,760
sometimes that haze will have a metallic

3783
02:31:43,350 --> 02:31:39,430
sheen and so you know people that say

3784
02:31:44,670 --> 02:31:43,360
well chemtrails are totally debunk Obul

3785
02:31:47,430 --> 02:31:44,680
they're not paying a lot of attention

3786
02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:47,440
Chris do you remember in Sedona when you

3787
02:31:50,820 --> 02:31:48,730
and I were filming chemtrails

3788
02:31:52,590 --> 02:31:50,830
and that we still have the video another

3789
02:31:54,090 --> 02:31:52,600
great piece we haven't put out do you

3790
02:31:55,800 --> 02:31:54,100
remember that one where the the

3791
02:31:56,790 --> 02:31:55,810
chemtrails stopped for like two miles

3792
02:31:59,520 --> 02:31:56,800
and then started again

3793
02:32:02,130 --> 02:31:59,530
yeah yeah I've seen that before you know

3794
02:32:05,220 --> 02:32:02,140
there are some misnomers I think about

3795
02:32:07,800 --> 02:32:05,230
persistent contrails versus chemtrails I

3796
02:32:10,040 --> 02:32:07,810
have done quite a bit of research into

3797
02:32:14,300 --> 02:32:10,050
this and basically what you've seen

3798
02:32:17,790 --> 02:32:14,310
oftentimes is the effect of the kerosene

3799
02:32:18,390 --> 02:32:17,800
and and residual moisture high up in the

3800
02:32:21,120 --> 02:32:18,400
atmosphere

3801
02:32:23,130 --> 02:32:21,130
I'm sure given if those trails are

3802
02:32:25,770 --> 02:32:23,140
coming directly off the plane if there's

3803
02:32:29,520 --> 02:32:25,780
not a gap about 50 foot 60 foot gap

3804
02:32:32,940 --> 02:32:29,530
between the the the engines and the

3805
02:32:35,370 --> 02:32:32,950
start of the of the exhaust if there's

3806
02:32:37,650 --> 02:32:35,380
no gap that means that that those are

3807
02:32:39,530 --> 02:32:37,660
nozzles probably sprained something I've

3808
02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:39,540
only seen that just a handful of times

3809
02:32:46,170 --> 02:32:44,010
the rest of the time what appears to be

3810
02:32:48,630 --> 02:32:46,180
chemtrails or actually it's persistent

3811
02:32:49,710 --> 02:32:48,640
contrails and what they're doing is

3812
02:32:51,750 --> 02:32:49,720
they're going out in the morning

3813
02:32:54,210 --> 02:32:51,760
especially here in the southwest and

3814
02:32:56,850 --> 02:32:54,220
they're they're spraying with small

3815
02:32:58,860 --> 02:32:56,860
planes of spray and silver iodide into

3816
02:33:02,400 --> 02:32:58,870
the atmosphere and it's the the action

3817
02:33:06,030 --> 02:33:02,410
of the commercial jets going over in the

3818
02:33:08,190 --> 02:33:06,040
kerosene exhaust that then attracts the

3819
02:33:10,320 --> 02:33:08,200
moisture and I think a lot of what we're

3820
02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:10,330
seeing is attempts to

3821
02:33:18,511 --> 02:33:14,170
and to create more rain but it's

3822
02:33:21,860 --> 02:33:18,521
backfiring and we're actually kind of

3823
02:33:25,170 --> 02:33:21,870
exactly exactly in the greenhouse effect

3824
02:33:27,630 --> 02:33:25,180
by doing this so it is a controversial

3825
02:33:31,320 --> 02:33:27,640
area and I think people really should do

3826
02:33:34,320 --> 02:33:31,330
their research about it and end and get

3827
02:33:36,090 --> 02:33:34,330
the facts yeah so this this panel will

3828
02:33:37,770 --> 02:33:36,100
be a great chance for people to catch up

3829
02:33:40,290 --> 02:33:37,780
on it everybody's going to be there

3830
02:33:42,330 --> 02:33:40,300
who's got a voice in the field Michael

3831
02:33:44,970 --> 02:33:42,340
Murphy the guy who made what in the

3832
02:33:47,070 --> 02:33:44,980
world are they spraying and why he'll be

3833
02:33:50,340 --> 02:33:47,080
on the panel Kristen Megan is a

3834
02:33:53,370 --> 02:33:50,350
ex-military she's got a lot to say about

3835
02:33:55,740 --> 02:33:53,380
what she's seen within purchase orders

3836
02:33:57,270 --> 02:33:55,750
and different things happening with the

3837
02:33:59,850 --> 02:33:57,280
way the government's handling this stuff

3838
02:34:01,890 --> 02:33:59,860
Bruce Douglas is the guy from Maui Sky

3839
02:34:04,290 --> 02:34:01,900
Watch use instrumental in helping get

3840
02:34:06,150 --> 02:34:04,300
monsanto banned from the island max

3841
02:34:08,700 --> 02:34:06,160
bliss he's done a lot of work on this

3842
02:34:11,340 --> 02:34:08,710
Steve Miller same thing so they it's a

3843
02:34:12,600 --> 02:34:11,350
great panel and yeah Chris I I agree

3844
02:34:15,840 --> 02:34:12,610
with you I think that they've developed

3845
02:34:18,900 --> 02:34:15,850
a delivery system basically and I think

3846
02:34:21,390 --> 02:34:18,910
that that delivery system is versatile

3847
02:34:22,890 --> 02:34:21,400
for a variety of purposes so you know

3848
02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:22,900
maybe they don't want a cloud seat in

3849
02:34:27,090 --> 02:34:24,570
one area maybe they might want to

3850
02:34:29,360 --> 02:34:27,100
disperse a biologic in another area

3851
02:34:32,761 --> 02:34:29,370
maybe it has to do with putting out the

3852
02:34:34,410 --> 02:34:32,771
metallics to deflect the Sun there's a

3853
02:34:36,330 --> 02:34:34,420
lot of talk that now that they're

3854
02:34:39,570 --> 02:34:36,340
calling it geoengineering that yeah

3855
02:34:40,620 --> 02:34:39,580
they're trying to slow global warming or

3856
02:34:43,770 --> 02:34:40,630
they're trying to do this or they're

3857
02:34:45,960 --> 02:34:43,780
trying to do that so opinions vary and

3858
02:34:47,670 --> 02:34:45,970
there's a lot of a lot of different

3859
02:34:49,680 --> 02:34:47,680
people saying a lot of different things

3860
02:34:51,810 --> 02:34:49,690
but I think that there's some sort of

3861
02:34:54,240 --> 02:34:51,820
delivery system that's been created and

3862
02:34:58,320 --> 02:34:54,250
it's versatile and it's being used for a

3863
02:35:00,240 --> 02:34:58,330
variety of reasons something at the core

3864
02:35:03,480 --> 02:35:00,250
of it I agree I don't think it's just

3865
02:35:05,400 --> 02:35:03,490
pervasive the pervasive as people think

3866
02:35:07,801 --> 02:35:05,410
I do think that how do you explain the

3867
02:35:09,420 --> 02:35:07,811
crisscross pattern well you know no

3868
02:35:11,100 --> 02:35:09,430
major airport has that kind of flight

3869
02:35:13,740 --> 02:35:11,110
patterns you know you could watch the

3870
02:35:15,060 --> 02:35:13,750
skies over LA for five days and you'll

3871
02:35:18,630 --> 02:35:15,070
never see it then all of a sudden

3872
02:35:20,520 --> 02:35:18,640
there's cross hatches in the sky you

3873
02:35:23,160 --> 02:35:20,530
know it's moisture there's a lot of it

3874
02:35:24,870 --> 02:35:23,170
in planes do fly north south

3875
02:35:26,880 --> 02:35:24,880
east and west I remember as a kid

3876
02:35:29,370 --> 02:35:26,890
growing up in Washington State we were

3877
02:35:31,830 --> 02:35:29,380
fairly near McChord Air Force Base and

3878
02:35:33,870 --> 02:35:31,840
we used to see crisscross patterns all

3879
02:35:36,810 --> 02:35:33,880
the time from military jets that were

3880
02:35:40,050 --> 02:35:36,820
being staged in in the Puget Sound area

3881
02:35:42,330 --> 02:35:40,060
I remember seeing very similar patterns

3882
02:35:45,570 --> 02:35:42,340
in the sky as a kid back in the 60s and

3883
02:35:47,280 --> 02:35:45,580
into the 70s so this isn't a new thing

3884
02:35:50,070 --> 02:35:47,290
it's just you know people I think are

3885
02:35:51,630 --> 02:35:50,080
noticing it more but there's no question

3886
02:35:54,510 --> 02:35:51,640
that there is some sort of program

3887
02:35:58,050 --> 02:35:54,520
that's attempting to manipulate or

3888
02:36:00,060 --> 02:35:58,060
modify climate and weather I'm pretty

3889
02:36:01,950 --> 02:36:00,070
convinced that based on my research but

3890
02:36:03,780 --> 02:36:01,960
but again I think you know there's

3891
02:36:06,330 --> 02:36:03,790
there's a lot of misnomers there's a lot

3892
02:36:08,190 --> 02:36:06,340
of you know natural occurring conditions

3893
02:36:10,760 --> 02:36:08,200
that that can lend themselves to

3894
02:36:13,440 --> 02:36:10,770
persistent contrails which which are not

3895
02:36:15,510 --> 02:36:13,450
nefarious there's both sides of the coin

3896
02:36:17,190 --> 02:36:15,520
I don't want to throw all this

3897
02:36:18,630 --> 02:36:17,200
information out and say and say none of

3898
02:36:20,190 --> 02:36:18,640
its real because I do have a sense that

3899
02:36:22,320 --> 02:36:20,200
there is something as you pointed out

3900
02:36:24,450 --> 02:36:22,330
behind this geoengineering programs and

3901
02:36:27,410 --> 02:36:24,460
you know these delivery systems like you

3902
02:36:30,600 --> 02:36:27,420
said that who knows what could be

3903
02:36:32,400 --> 02:36:30,610
involved in the agenda you know the kind

3904
02:36:34,380 --> 02:36:32,410
of makes you wonder sometimes whether

3905
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:34,390
certain powers that be have our best

3906
02:36:37,950 --> 02:36:36,250
interests at heart but you know I do

3907
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:37,960
think it's it's an important issue and I

3908
02:36:41,130 --> 02:36:39,280
wish you luck on that panel it sounds

3909
02:36:42,420 --> 02:36:41,140
like a really good panel to be to be on

3910
02:36:44,580 --> 02:36:42,430
yeah and you know oddly enough

3911
02:36:46,590 --> 02:36:44,590
chemtrails and geoengineering are not a

3912
02:36:48,750 --> 02:36:46,600
topic that I know a lot about I was just

3913
02:36:50,700 --> 02:36:48,760
asked to moderate the panel so I'm

3914
02:36:52,230 --> 02:36:50,710
looking forward to it and I'm gonna be

3915
02:36:53,610 --> 02:36:52,240
learning some stuff and of course I

3916
02:36:55,290 --> 02:36:53,620
invite everybody else to come and check

3917
02:36:57,179 --> 02:36:55,300
it out Ron would you tell our listeners

3918
02:36:59,670 --> 02:36:57,189
where they can find more of the stuff

3919
02:37:02,880 --> 02:36:59,680
that you do well my online television

3920
02:37:07,280 --> 02:37:02,890
network is evolve TV and that's just

3921
02:37:08,820 --> 02:37:07,290
like the word evolve so it's I vol ve

3922
02:37:10,290 --> 02:37:08,830
tv.com

3923
02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:10,300
and you can find a lot of material there

3924
02:37:14,040 --> 02:37:12,010
the interview with Steve Bassett and my

3925
02:37:16,050 --> 02:37:14,050
new TV show bigger questions is on there

3926
02:37:17,310 --> 02:37:16,060
you can really kind of check that out

3927
02:37:19,890 --> 02:37:17,320
decide for yourself it's in the

3928
02:37:21,929 --> 02:37:19,900
auditorium section and it's free the

3929
02:37:23,880 --> 02:37:21,939
conscious life Expo obviously is

3930
02:37:25,650 --> 02:37:23,890
conscious life Expo Calm check out the

3931
02:37:28,500 --> 02:37:25,660
geoengineering panel it'll be live

3932
02:37:29,640 --> 02:37:28,510
streamed on the 8th I believe standing

3933
02:37:31,050 --> 02:37:29,650
by the way that's today you're going to

3934
02:37:34,800 --> 02:37:31,060
hear this show so you've been a hurry

3935
02:37:36,960 --> 02:37:34,810
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02:37:41,340 --> 02:37:39,310
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3963
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3964
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